【編】Peter Levenda の講演動画:「アメリカの宇宙開発計画」の闇の歴史 (途中1)

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- この講演動画は過去記事でも何度か取り上げたが、日本ではほとんど知られてないネタの詳細、たとえば…

  ・米の有力者らからなる "the Nine" が ET から受けた JFK 暗殺指令

  ・JFK 暗殺の重要容疑者、関係者が初期の UFO 事件にも深く関与してきた歴史

  ・中国の宇宙開発が急速に進展したのは FBI による中国人科学者への執拗な嫌がらせの結果で、それがイランへのロケット・ミサイル技術の流出にも繋がった。

  ・当時の CIA 長官が JFK 暗殺にかんする議会調査委員会の調査を阻んだ露骨な手口

  ・…
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などが盛りだくさんなので音声書写(自動生成)の全部を記録しておく。

- この講演で取り上げられているネタの中には Peter Levenda が直接参加していたオカルト団体の JFK 暗殺への関与も含まれ、彼の発言は貴重。いずれこの動画も消されるだろうから、それに備える。

- 後日、DeepL 訳や切り出し静止画(60枚に及ぶ)も追加したいところ。

- とても貴重な講演内容ではあるが、明らかに疑わしいネタや誤りのネタ(*1)も含まれており、彼の主張を丸呑みするのは避けるべき。

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- たとえば…

  ・Richard Hoagland のヨタ話(月面の構造物)を真に受けている。特に空中楼閣のヨタ話については過去記事で取り上げた。

  ・日本の原爆開発が 1940年代に成功していたというネタを真に受けている。

  ・フリーエネルギー装置がかなり昔から開発済みだと断定している。

音声書写(自動生成)


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testing yes thank you very much for that great introduction and thank you to the organizers of this event we have a lot
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of distinguished speakers today of course Richard Hoagland as I'm sure you all know and Richard Dolan Timothy good
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at Brinsley I feel like I'm opening for the Rolling Stones and who remembers the
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first act right but I'll try to make this memorable for you we're talking
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about the origins of the secret space program and I'm going to introduce to you some things of which you're probably
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already very familiar and yet in a different way perhaps than you're used
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to thinking about it so don't be dismayed if at the beginning this does not seem relevant because I will show
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you how and why it is a seminal event
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for me in the secret space program began in June of 1947 no I wasn't around in
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June of 1947 but historically it was a seminal event and many of you have heard
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of the Maury Island affair a very strange bizarre incident that took place
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on the Pacific Northwest of the United States shortly after Kenneth Arnold a
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pilot gave us the term Flying Saucer that month there was a UFO sighting in
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this sighting UFOs evidently crashed rained debris down upon some civilians
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killed a dog according to the story wounded a child according to the story and it led to a chain of events that are
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very very unusual and yet are evidence of something that took place 20 years
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later that shows us there was a deep connection between the UFO story as it
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was promulgated back in the 1940s and very serious political and military
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events of the next 20 30 years so Maury Island a pair there's a UFO sighting
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shortly after Kenneth Arnold gave us the famous flying saucer story and a man
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that we know as fredchristman claimed that he he had been involved in that
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incident he claimed that people had been hurt that he had pieces of the UFO and what
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happened was individuals of the United States Army Air Force at the time
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visited Chrisman and his partner mr. doll and retrieved pieces of this
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so-called debris of the UFO they got on a plane the plane crashed and both of
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these Air Force officers died these are probably the first two of victims mortalities associated with the UFO
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phenomenon the first two there were many more since then as any student of UFO history knows so fredchristman is the
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strange guy you know a strange background no one knows too much about him he seems to have been some kind of
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confidence man some kind of criminal or crook but maybe also an intelligence agent there is evidence that there were
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intelligence connections to his background he was also somebody I like
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to call a wandering Bishop and I'll get to that story in a minute because this is a striking aspect of this whole field
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that people have not covered because they don't understand it bred Chrisman
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1947 seminal event in UFO history he shows up again 20 years later being
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investigated by a District Attorney Jim Garrison in New Orleans because of his
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alleged role in the Kennedy assassination we'll come back to that in
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a minute one of the people investigating the Mauri Island affair and all of the UFO
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incidents that were taking place in the Pacific Northwest in 1947 in the months
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before and after the famous Roswell crash was this man FBI Special Agent in
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Charge stationed in Butte Montana he was in charge of a bunch of files we call
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the SM - x-files according to the FBI's own documentation UFO matters were
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classified as SM X security matter - X these were the original x-files this
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man's name is guy Bannister by Bannister is the man who'll come up again in our
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discussion twenty years later as a suspect in the Kennedy assassination if
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you saw the movie JFK by Oliver Stone this was guy Bannister the actor playing
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guy Bannister now we come to another man
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called Jack Martin Jack Martin's real name is Edward Suggs he worked as an investigator for guy Bannister he was
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another Bishop we'll get to that story in a bit he's probably the same guy as a name that comes up in the files of the
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Office of Special Investigations of the military as Agent Jack s Martin who was
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investigating UFO incidents in California in 1949 in the movie JFK by
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Oliver Stone Jack Lemmon plays Jack Martin I'm showing you these photographs from the film so you get a kind of
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context if you've seen the film you know that we're talking about real people real individuals and their real influence of course Oliver Stone does
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not go into the UFO aspect of this case these photographs have never been seen
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before in public you're the first people of the entire world that is actually seeing his photographs because their
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photographs that were given to me personally by a man who is involved with Jack Martin Jack Martin the Jack Lemmon
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character and JFK the man involved they say in the Kennedy conspiracy in New
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Orleans was also in addition to being an investigator in addition to being
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possibly a man investigating UFO incidents in California in addition to being heavily involved in the group
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around Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963 was also a bishop in a church in
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a weird Church in a church that no one had ever heard of before in a church
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that even Jim Garrison didn't understand in his own documentation in his own writings going back to
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the House Select Subcommittee on assassinations when the United States government was going through an investigation of the assassinations in
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the 1970s Jim Garrison wrote a note copies of which I have saying look into
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this church stuff because I don't understand it well there's Jack Martin dressed as a priest in the 1970s after the Kennedy
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assassination his friend and associate was David Ferrie David Ferrie and Jack Martin both worked
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for guy banister David Ferrie former Eastern Airlines pilot a rabid
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anti-communist very much involved in anti-communist activities he's another Bishop of the same church as Jack Martin
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and of course he knew Lee Harvey Oswald as we know in the Civil Air Patrol in
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the movie that was David very unforgettable guy in a fake wig and fake
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eyebrows talking about enigmas wrapped in mysteries wrapped in puzzles wrapped in all kinds of things so this is the
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David Ferrie character that made famous in the film and this is an actual
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photograph of David Ferrie dressed again as a priest as Jack Martin was we have
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co-conspirators in the Kennedy assassination as we will see ties back to the UFO in the space program who were
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involved in a strange church a church that didn't really exist except on paper
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and this is the church the american orthodox catholic church if you review
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the FBI files all of the investigations that were undertaken for the warren
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commission and later by the House subcommittee in 1970 1970s this name
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will keep coming up and no one does any background check on it no one goes any further members of this church included
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a man called Profeta we'll get to him in a second David Ferrie Jack Martin a man called Carl Stanley
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who was mentioned in the FBI files Tommy Jude Ballmer Thomas Beckham these
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are all names familiar to researchers in the Kennedy assassination they were all members of this church most of whom were
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bishops in the church the church had a lot of Bishops not many priests and no congregations seriously
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just bishops no priest no congregations rarely did they have a building this
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photograph was taken in the only building I ever knew that housed the American Orthodox Catholic Church in the
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Bronx where I'm from and I knew the church personally I knew these individuals personally I knew this guy
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this guy right here that's Profeta the guy who created the church I knew him
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and I was a member of briefly of this group because I lived practically next door and as a long story I look into it
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now I won't bore you with it but then other names on this list are extremely
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important very Martin we already know involved in the Kennedy assassination conspiracy at least according to Jim
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Garrison tommy jew bomber was a lawyer in new orleans and his claim to fame as
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we found out only about a year ago was that he was the man who incorporated another church this one called the
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process church of the final resurrection of a final judgment rather processed church of the final judgment this was
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the group that was implicated rightly or wrongly in the charles manson family in possibly the bobby kennedy assassination
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the goes on and on there are all these churches that swim underneath the radar that had connections to intelligence
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agencies the military and as we will see to the space program this was Profeta I
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knew this guy personally a Ukrainian Orthodox priest who left the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to just to create this
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church of his own the american orthodox catholic church he was picked by Thomas
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Dewey as the White House chaplain there was an election between Harry Truman and
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Thomas Dewey everyone thought do we would win Dewey was the Republican Truman was the Democrat Truman won by a
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narrow margin and Profeta once showed me the letter that he got from Thomas Dewey
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appointing him as White House chaplain when do we thought he had won the election this is how politically
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prominent and important he was on the board of directors of the American
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Orthodox Catholic Church was J Edgar Hoover the head of the Federal Bureau of
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Investigation of the FBI than who gave us the x-files and died
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Bannister and all the rest J Edgar Hoover was a member and on the board of directors of this phony Church another
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member was Christopher Maria Stanley he's now known as st. Christopher's Stanley he was canonized by the guy who
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took over when he died close associate of all these guys Perry Martin tried to
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implicate him in the Kennedy assassination he tried to implicate them in a Kennedy assassination when Profeta
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had created the American Orthodox Catholic Church he summoned all the other bishops who had been bishops with
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him in this church to go to New York and prevent a present their their bona fides
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their bona fides their credentials to him and to Hoover the only one who
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obeyed this was Carl Stanley christopher maria stanley christopher stanley goes
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to new york he goes to prophetic he signs on he goes back to his home in
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Kentucky he's dead less than a month later and only two weeks after the death
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of David Ferrie the mysterious death of David Ferrie another bishop in the same church suddenly the bishops of this
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church were all being killed they're all dying under mysterious circumstances all within a few weeks of each other this
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story you have not heard before because no one knows what to do with the material no one knows what to do with this information so when it comes to
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churches and guys in funny hats you know there is some degree of mystery out there and confusion this is the
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organization as I over the years uncovered it starting with our friend
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Profeta over there - Christopher Stanley - David Ferrie - Jack Martin these were
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all guys implicated in the Kennedy assassination and they all wore funny hats the connection was this another
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funny hat that's j edgar Hoover in his Masonic shiner Fez because he was a
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freemason I think we all know so there's j edgar Hoover - guy Bannister the guy who investigated the
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UFOs in 1947 the guy who was writing up all these telexes and letters headline
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s/m - x-file UFO sighting here UFO sighting there down here is bread Prisma
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he was the guy that Bannister was allegedly investigating and next to Chrisman there's Profeta again Profeta
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who was on the same board of directors of a church as J Edgar Hoover all these people working in concert all these
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people working together a phony Church mysterious goings on and really weird
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hats so what does all this have to do with the space program you're sitting there thinking okay this is all very
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strange but what are we here for well let's fall back a little bit we'll
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start to see the threads come together in the United States the space race began on Halloween 1936 and you're
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looking at this charming group of individuals down there relaxing in front of a rocket these were America's first
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rocket scientists people like Jack Parsons Theodore von Karman and this is
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the launch at Arroyo Seco in California in October 31st 1936 the very first
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launching of the rocket by American space engineers Jack Parsons has a
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crater on the moon named after him Jack Parsons was a co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory JPL at Caltech
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India in California when you watch the space shuttle launches or you read anything about it you'll always come
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across JPL all the time he was a co-founder of JPL crater on the moon named after him solved a lot of issues
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regarding solid fuel storage of rocket material at the same time he was a
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follower of Aleister Crowley the Aleister Crowley the infamous magician
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who traded his own cult his own religion mehar Parsons himself at the same time
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he's working on rockets for the US military he's also conducting rituals in the
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desert trying to summon angels and demons I'm not making this stuff up in case you're wondering one of his
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co-workers one of his partners in his ritual working his ritual magic was l
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ron Hubbard the man who later went on to found Scientology Hubbard stole Jack Parsons money stole
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Jack Parsons girlfriend ran to Miami and bought a boat
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in later years Hubbard would speak very fondly of Aleister Crowley claiming he
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had met him he never did Crowley died in 1947 before Hubbard had even actually heard of him but Parsons was
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investigated by the FBI as a security risk because he was involved in occult workings but at the same time Parsons is
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a billion scientist well just as he's getting ready to leave the United States through all the pressure of the FBI
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investigations there's a mysterious explosion at his home he dies under very mysterious circumstances the house
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literally blows up with him in it Theodore von Karman was the leader of
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the group that founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory he has a crater on
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the moon named after him born in Hungary studied in Germany he was a brilliant rocket scientist as well and he formed
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the Jet Propulsion Laboratory with a couple of other people Frank Malina and course Parsons ed Foreman and a Chinese
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scientist of a brilliant man called CNC a son Ginsu son goes on to later fame in
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another area of rocket science and space science so von Karman was a guy shown
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here by the way with the Nazi scientist down here this is 10 up here and this is
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von Karman this scientist von Karman had known before in Germany and was
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instrumental in getting him to come to United States to work on the space program with him cien was the man they
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sent to debrief Verner von Braun Turner von Braun of course was the Nazi
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scientist that was brought to the United States under something called paperclip Bernhard von Braun will get into in more
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detail just in a few minutes but chien was also investigated by the FBI everybody involved in the rocket program
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in the United States in the 1930s and 1940s wound up being investigated by the FBI for one reason or another he
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eventually got so sick and tired he defected to China after all of the harassment he had been undergoing by by
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the FBI and what happened he develops China a space program he creates the silkworm
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missile that was used to such effect during the first Iraq invasion when
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Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and all of that he was sending Scud missiles and all of us the silkworms were used there
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in the Middle East so chin starting as a patriotic American citizen helping with
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the space program through all the suppression by FBI all the harassment gives up basically goes back to China
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and becomes a hero in China develops jump-starts the Chinese space program
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when we're talking today about the space race and the space programs as we'll be getting into with the other speakers
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keep in mind the fact that it began in two important places it began in Germany
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with the rocket systems and the rocket development in Germany at peenemünde North houses which we'll get into in a
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second but it also started in the United States and the reason that China is
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launching Rockets today and launching satellites is because of this man who
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could have been part of our space program for the rest of his life and instead because of all sorts political
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nonsense wound up going to China and giving them a space program almost complete at the same time in Germany in
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the same year almost the same the same on 1936 we have Fritz gosslau of the
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Argos company he begins work on remote-controlled aircraft and a few years later December of nineteen forty
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forty two we have the first launch successful launch of the v1 who've been
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following history channel stuff about World War two and the Blitz and all of
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that you'll know about to be ones in the devastating effect that they had this is a picture of the v1 at the time and this
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is another one later termed the world's first cruise missile these were launched
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from aircraft dropped the era the v1 would drop from the plane and then go on its way Layne aimed at London of course and
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later as we know at Antwerp devastating weapon resulting in almost 23,000
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civilian deaths at the time at the same time back in 1941 we have
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the first jet-assisted takeoff launched in California by the von Karman group Jack Parsons is here we have Jack
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Parsons right here watching the takeoff of the first jet-assisted takeoff plane
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a jet the powered plane so here we have the rocket scientist who's also an occultist than the follower of Aleister
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Crowley and a member of all kinds of other occult organizations involved in
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this these important important events of the rocket program in 1944 of course we
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have the v2 the Germans launched the v2 actually more people were killed
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making the v2 than were killed by the v2 because of slave labor in Germany and
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because of the concentration camp labor that was brought to North Heusen and later to middle baldor a' concentration
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camps in the factories attached to Buchenwald more people were actually killed making these vetoes that are actually killed in in suffering under
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them so the Nazi rocket program as we know it started at peenemünde a-- was later relocated and the person in charge
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of this was general walter dornberger and his assistant was Verner von braun
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we'll get back to them in a second another important personality in aviation medicine this time is dr.
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hubertus strughold he's a man in charge of all sorts of horrendous experiments on living persons in the camps and yet
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is considered the father of aviation medicine he was brought to the United States he was given his own Institute at
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Randolph Air Force Base in Texas and they had a building named after him and so the local Daughters of the American
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Revolution decided that having a building named after this guy was probably not the best message to send to
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our next generations of young people studying medicine so they took the name off people were aware that Stewart old
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was basically a monster we've all heard of Operation Paperclip I think started
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as operation crossbow operation overcast the British were trying to get the scientists Russians were trying to get
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Nazi scientists and the Americans had their own program which they then later renamed his paperclip
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it wasn't just the men the scientists they were bringing over it was also their documentation it was also as much
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machinery as they could possibly get we were talking about hundreds of railroad cars freight cars filled with documents
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and equipment and machinery not talking even about the hundreds at first and
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then thousands of Nazi scientists that were brought to the United States here's
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a photograph of the team at Fort Bliss Texas paperclip members that's a hell of
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a lot of Nazi scientists and not a single funny hat among them I will point out one thing it's important to remember
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about the space program in the United States until 1957 it was not a civilian program for the first 10 years or 15
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years of its existence it was a military program there was no NASA the National
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Aeronautics and Space Administration had not been created yet so all of these people worked for the military the
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rocket program was a military program and you have to remember that that that's the origins of the space program
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was with the army which later became the Army Air Force which later became NASA I mean the space program went under NASA
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these are supposed to be our Nazis right we were sold a bill of goods in the
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United States was Holt told us oh these people are not really Nazis they were Germans they were scientists they were
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helping out they were working for us you know they really weren't believers
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Yeah right why then if this is so did we
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bring the best of the brightest to the United States give them whatever they wanted all the resources that they wanted whatever they needed whatever
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they asked for and the Soviet Union was the first country to launch a satellite
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into space if they were really working for the United States and they had become born-again American patriots and
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card carry Republican yes Republicans how did it happen that we didn't get a
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rocket into space we didn't get a satellite into space that the Russians were the first well
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what happened weren't they sabotaging our space program since the very beginning these are the true believers this is
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just a handful of the people you'll come across when you research this walter dornberger later becomes the head of
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NASA later he gets a board position with Bell aerospace in the United States is
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considered a rabid Nazi by military intelligence officials who were doing background checks in Germany they've got
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witness statements they've got documents they got everything they need to put dornberger in jail for the rest of his life those documents are buried Verner
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von braun was an SS major there are
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photographs of Wernher von Braun in an SS uniform the SS was not the rotary it
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was not the Boy Scouts you didn't just you know kind of join the SS because it would further your career that no that
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didn't work that way in order to join the SS you had to prove your racial purity going back to the year 1750 there
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had to be no inter mention in your background right no Jews no gypsies no
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Slavs no Democrats no nobody like that in the background of your racial purity
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you had to prove this and you had to maintain a certain a certain degree of involvement with the SS all the time the
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SS was a pagan cult the SS forbade mention of Christian holidays even in
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their in their documentation the SS was extremely paid it was extremely anti-christian anti-jewish anti
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everything else if you had a rank of major in the SS you did not get that automatically you got that because you
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proved yourself and Farrah von Braun was proven later to have been involved in meetings discussing slave labor
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requirements for the cake for the rocket systems at peenemünde a-- and also at middle bow he was involved in these
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discussions he knew about the killings of prisoners the the torture of prisoners it was involved in all of that
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it didn't matter to Verner von Braun at the same time that he's working for us we bring him over under paperclip he's
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now in the United States what is he doing he's sending classified materials
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out of the country to his comrades back in Germany we know this as part of the documentation as part of the
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now these files have been Declassified bernhard von braun was working against the United States almost from the
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beginning this is a scandal you know but yet we considered him the father of the
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American space program I mean he's the one who got us to the moon right Kurt
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Davis was the first director of the Kennedy Space Center the first director of the Kennedy Space Center at Cape
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Canaveral in Florida he was a member of the SS and the SA the sturm up Island
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right the brown shirts the stormtroopers two other Nazi organizations this is the
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man who turned in his friends and co-workers to the Gestapo if they made disloyal remarks this was a true
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believer once again as I say he was an SS officer the Allies considered the SS
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a criminal organization for very good reason and yet we put this guy in charge
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of the Kennedy Space Center Theater Zobel and others sent another scientist performed experiments on prisoners in
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the wind Windtunnel experiments we brought him over he worked for us hubertus strughold as I mentioned
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tortured prisoners killed live people just for experiments dump them into freezing cold water to see how long they
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would survive stuff like that jump starts the aviation medicine Institute at Randolph Air Force Base
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George Rickey very famous Nazi murdered prisoners with his personally murdered
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them at the middle Baldor Oh site right is giving positions with with American
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corporations in the United States and Neil salmon work as engineer at wright-patterson as you can see he
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torched a synagogue Heinz busy caracas engineer his family in the united states
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during the war was spying for the nazis he was fine he was okay Dean ossified
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Otto Ambrose we've all heard of Otto Ambrose probably executive at IG Farben this is the guy involved in
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administering the experiment since I convey the gas that was used in the death camps he gets the job the WR
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Greyson company Leonard Albert's gets a job with the Bechtel corporation all big
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American corporations all very important members of the military-industrial complex his
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coworkers hated him that he was just to Nazi even for them and some of them were Nazis didn't hurt didn't hurt him at all
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they moved him from position to position but they kept him on in May 29th 1947 to
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give you an idea of how badly the Nazi paperclip scientists were sabotaging the American space program the United States
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attacked Mexico with a missile of missile this one the Hermes missile
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based on the v2 design was launched by German scientists at White Sands proving grounds in New Mexico it went up and
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then it took a right and it wound up in Juarez Mexico just outside of a heavy populated area hit the ground
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blew a crater 50 meters across we actually bombed Mexico with a missile in
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1947 the Mexican government was not amused you know it's like you know we
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have people going across the border this way you're sending missiles this way what's up well the Germans in charge of
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this had sabotaged the guidance system so that it wouldn't go where it was supposed to go and the American
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engineers who were responsible for some of these experiments were complaining like mad to the Pentagon saying that
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these guys are nuts you know they're doing all kinds of crazy stuff they are not really on our side well we're going
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to now move into another area but just for a second we think about this situation this scenario we had German
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scientists working for us stationed at military bases in the United States who were totally
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unmonitored they could leave the base at any time they would go walking through town they opened up mailboxes they were
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receiving mail from Europe they were sending mail out to Europe a lot of it went to Eastern Europe because they had
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colleagues who have been taken by the Soviets in order to help their German scientists Nazi scientists colleagues in
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the Soviet Union and in the Eastern Bloc they were sending American blueprints over to Eastern Germany to an East
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German answer to Russia at the same time they're working in the United States these records have since been
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Declassified not all of them I mean god forbid we should declassify records is sixty years old from World War two
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right you know you're wondering right now is there a secret space program well
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there was a secret space program in 1940s for sure there was a secret space program in the 1950s we didn't know what
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was going on as an American growing up with the threat constantly of the atomic
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bomb and you know the Russians were the Obamas and they were all going to die and I had to hide my head under a desk
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because that was safety growing up with this we thought that Bernhard von Braun
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was a good German he was not a Nazi he was on our side later only later only the last few years have we been able to
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find out that these guys had never been really on our side they were true believers in their cause the Nazi Party was not just a political
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party you know it was not Republicans and Democrats or like we have in the States it was not people concerned about
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if we're going to have the ordinance for running a cable line or water or so they cared nothing about that the Nazi Party
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was a cult of true believers just because they lost the war doesn't mean they lost their true faith so they maintained it through thick
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thick and thin they look down on their captors in the United States to them it
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was a toss-up do we go to Russia do we go to the United States there was no ideological choice being made it was
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strictly a pragmatic one where are we going to get the best deal you know they were operating on their own they were
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operating with their own agenda so in 1947 we have the Cold War first we bomb Mexico and we apologize
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for that later then we have the pin of Arnold's sighting we have the Maury island affair we have famously Roswell
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in 1947 that same year the CIA is created the Department of the Air Force
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is created a year later Truman defeats Dewey I mention this because of the
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relationship to other incidents that we're talking about in 1950 the Korea war begins okay so now we're in Cold War
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mode Russians have poured across the border into North Korea okay the
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brainwashing thing starts everybody's freaking out about the weird science and the Russians are using to brainwash
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American soldiers okay a person is very involved in this in all the hysteria
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around this in 1952 holds a seance in a farmhouse in Maine the man is no
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not the Pope not the funny hat guy the other guy
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Andrea Puharich Andrea Puharich was a medical doctor he was an inventor he was
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a military man a captain in the Army stationed at Fort that camp Dietrich
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later Fort Dietrich Edgewood art Edgewood Arsenal later he was stationed up this is the area of the United States
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the military that's involved with chemical and biological weapons hooha rich however was involved in
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trying to weaponize paranormal abilities hooha riches focus in 1952 as early as
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1952 is how can we use ESP telepathy all these things in a military capacity
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since now we're facing a cold war with people who use brainwashing methods hooha which suddenly becomes a hot
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ticket item he's talking about using the human brain and the powers of the brain to do all sorts of horrible things to
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people he brings together nine people in a seance now it doesn't make a lot of
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sense when you realize who these people are one of them is Arthur Young some of you may have heard of Arthur Young he
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wrote a lot of very well-received books the reflexive universe the geometry of meaning Arthur Young was it was a great
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guy he was the inventor of the Bell Helicopter he sold his rights and all of that
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he left military engineering military development at the end of World War two
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in order to pursue full-time his interest in the paranormal he studied yoga Eastern religions ESP
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psychokinesis astrology you name it he was into it r3 on his wife Ruth Forbes
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hain young she was also at the seance so we have Arthur Young the inventor of the Bell Helicopter the guy who created the
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Bell Helicopter along with Larry Bell his partner we have his wife the
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excessively nomenclature Ruth Forbes Payne young that's all her husband back
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so she's married first to a Forbes John Kerry our presidential candidate was a
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force this is a very old very famous family she was married to George Lyman Payne Payne was a direct
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descendant of one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and related coincidentally to an actor called Robert
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treat Paine long story but anyway Ruth's corpse also married to a Payne also
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married to Arthur young not at the same time you know one after the other she has a son Michael Payne who then gets a
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job at Bell aerospace through Arthur Young's influence because Arthur young
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helped create the company her son needs a job he gets him a job at Bell aerospace in Texas her best friend is
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Mary Bancroft Mary Bancroft was the longtime mistress of Allen Dulles Allen
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Dulles as you know was a famous head of the CIA the one that Jack Kennedy fired over the Bay of Pigs when he told Dulles
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he was been as split the CIA into a million pieces Allen Dulles was the one who was fired by Kennedy and who later wound up on the
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Warren Commission investigating Kennedy's death very conveniently so
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these are two people two of the nine so Michael Payne's boss right the boss of
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Michael Payne Arthur Young's son-in-law is none other than general walter dornberger and he's shown here that's
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dornberger over here and that's himmler over here and they all got hats so these
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all guys so Michael Payne has his please direct connections right back to paperclip back to the space program
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Michael Payne's wife is it also named Ruth she's Ruth pink Ruth Payne is a
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Quaker she likes folk dancing walks on the beach candlelit dinner and the Russian
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language allegedly she's studying Russian that's Ruth Paine that's Michael
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and Ruth in Irving Texas that's Ruth painting again she's sitting
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way over on the left here is a woman called Marguerite Marguerite
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Oswald here is Marina Oswald the picture
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was taken on November 22nd 1963 the day that Kennedy was assassinated that
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evening there photographed in Ruth Payne's living room in Irving Texas
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it was Ruth Payne who got Lee Harvey Oswald a job at the Texas School Book Depository right on the roof where he
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would be able to assassinate the president that's Ruth Payne Ruth Payne had visited
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Arthur Young and her mother-in-law Ruth Forbes paying young in Philadelphia in
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September of 1963 she had Marina Oswald this Russian defector the wife of Lee
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Harvey Oswald and her children living with her in her house what was she
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talking about to Arthur Young I wonder does she ever mention the fact that hey I got this Russian defector and his wife
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living with me in Irving Texas Lee Oswald maybe you heard of him he was a Marine he defected to the Soviet Union
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wanting to become a Russian citizen Jiri defected back to the United States he did all of this and the guy still only
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24 years old that's pretty good for a 24 year old a marine somebody involved in
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the Atsugi air base and radar technicians a guy who spoke Russian fluently enough that his Russian born
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wife thought he was Russian now I don't know about you I studied a lot of
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languages in my time I mean Mandarin Spanish French Italian I've done a lot of languages I've studied brushing
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Russian is a damn hard language to learn and yet this young kid with no hardly
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any formal education just barely got out of high school joins the Marines and learns to speak fluent Russian like that
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so much that he can convince marina that he's fluent that he's he's a native Russian so marine marine Marina Oswald
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the niece of the KGB excuse me an NKVD and army military intelligence officer
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marries Lee Harvey Oswald this marine defector very famous defector and they
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decide to go back to the United States Ruth Paine wants to learn Russian that's her story oh I'd love to learn Russian
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from marina hablo so she gives her some room in her house because they're broke and then Lee goes to Texas and the rest
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is history so here's the nine here's the the connection of these nine people I didn't mention all the people of the nine we'll
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get to that but they're mostly DuPont's Astor's Forbes etc these are the wealthiest
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families in the United States at the time blueblood Americans with long pedigrees going back to the Mayflower or
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to the Declaration of Independence in some cases representatives of these families were at this bizarre seance and
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during the seance in Maine they were contacted according to all the published
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documentation I'm not making this stuff up and I'm not speculating who hara-chan self-published this documentation saying
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that aliens a group of 9 contacted the
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group of nine who were at the seance and said we are nine you are nine we're
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giving you the mission you know to help transform life on the planet and what
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was their first major contribution was you know having to do with the assassination of President Kennedy
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so this nine it to me is very strange we have to ask ourself a lot of questions
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did that somehow promote you know evolution on this planet or did that do just the opposite so there's Arthur
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Young there's his daughter-in-law Ruth Paine Lee Harvey Oswald to Kennedy the connections are very tight and another
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member of the nine of course was an aster as I mentioned Alva Alice Muriel master aspect so all American
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aristocracy September 12th 1962 Kennedy
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makes his famous we shall go to the moon we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy but because they
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are hard the last time an American president talks to Americans this way we're going to do things not because they're easy because they're hard
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because that's what we're going to do he told Congress of the moon mission May 25th 1961 in September 62 over a year
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later he reiterates this in a very famous speech you can catch it on YouTube as everywhere very brilliant
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very passionate speech about what we're going to do and then of course in November of the following year he's assassinated what does all this have to
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do with what we're talking about okay in New Orleans before the assassination Lee
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Harvey Oswald gets a job with the William Riley coffee company the coffee company still exists he went down there
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to get a job he worked for a short time he quits he tells a co-worker hey I've
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just found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow according to the quotation he's getting a job at NASA well in 1957
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we sent up we didn't send up the Russians sent up the Sputnik and that scared the hell out of the American
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military establishment it scared the hell out of the American people they said we have all these Nazi scientists
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you know what are we getting for our and what bang for the buck are we getting here so we have to do something about this and so they put the fear of God
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into the Nazi scientists and said okay listen guys you know enough is enough we fooled around enough now we have to actually do something and so the
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government took control of the space program away from the military and gave it to a civilian organization NASA the
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problem with that was they moved the Nazi scientists from the military to NASA so it was a change in name only you
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know suddenly you have military scientists who were Nazis who were true believers now they're working for a
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civilian agency for NASA under the US government we didn't really change anything direct military control was
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lost but the Nazis were still in command after the assassination Lee Harvey
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Oswald leaves the William Riley Coffee Company he never does work for NASA although we find out that he was probably working out of an office at the
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NASA site that was an employment agency for the CIA this is something that's
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also come up recently anyway he leaves William Riley he leaves New Orleans goes to Texas after the
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assassination his co-workers also all get jobs at NASA at NASA their coffee
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company clerks and they got jobs at NASA as I mentioned Ruth Paine had visited
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his wife visit dr. young and his wife Arthur young believes or he's been told
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that he's been in contact with these nine supernatural beings andrea Puharich
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the guy who organizes us the captain in the army involved in weaponizing the paranormal he's the guy who discovers
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Ori Geller the Israeli psychic who bend spoons by looking at them he brings a
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regular to the United States he gets him involved with the Stanford Research Institute run by Scientologists
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as it turns out all this other stuff is going on furry Geller eventually says he got tired of it he thought that he was
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being run by Puharich as an intelligence asset he really felt the coup harch was
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an intelligence agent running him as an agent for one of the intelligence agencies but part of that program was
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that he felt from time to time he was being put in contact with extraterrestrial beings
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you know Geller was mystified by what was going on in his brain by all of us now whether you think about Ori Guler as
44:58
being genuine or not or a player or not or whatever Geller is pretty open and
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honest about his relationship with Maharaj he didn't like him he distrusted him and eventually he cut off relations with him as I said Ruth Payne finds Lee
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the job of the Texas School Book Depository so then in New Orleans after
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the assassination garrison remembers David Ferrie Jack Martin all these guys died Bannister he conducts his own investigation and he finds that all of
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these guys were bishops in the church except for guy Bannister who was like the Pope or something of the Vatican in
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New Orleans and then guy banister and fredchristman were the guys who jump started the UFO thing in 1947 after
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Kenneth Arnold so he calls in fredchristman by Bannister is dead he died in 1964 again mysteriously so
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fredchristman than is called in he's interrogated nothing much comes of that so what was the secret space program
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from my point of view from the 1940s we bring in Nazi scientists to the United
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States in 1947 we have the famous Roswell incident the Roswell debris we
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know is taken to right Air Force Base we eventually wright-patterson Air Force Base right field at the time which is
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the same place where we bring walter dornberger Verner von Braun and everybody else preliminary we bring them all together
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all these guys are together in 1947 in one place at the same time we have all
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these UFO sightings we have Nazi scientists in the space program we're afraid the Russians have the bomb as it
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turns out a lot of people had the bomb in those days we have a group of wealthy Americans all involved in the
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militarization of the paranormal and they make this contact with this extraterrestrial group called the nine I
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wrote a book called sinister forces the very first volume is called the nine and it focuses on this strange bit of
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connections we have these this family this group of families having a seance
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in 1952 in Maine talking to aliens in a spaceship hovering over the earth they
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say and then later we find tendrils leading out from that seong directly to
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the Kennedy assassination among other things but the Kennedy assassination being the most important from the most
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obvious one if you follow the Kennedy assassination you may know the guy called George de Mohrenschildt he was a
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Russian CIA contract agent who eventually helped in some way Lee Harvey Oswald in Marina he was involved with
47:27
them he commits suicide before he has to give an interview about all of this in
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his book is notebook is address book when he was after he was found dead was the phone number of a man who was also
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involved with the nine I mean Lee Harvey Oswald was surrounded by so many bishops and so many members of the nine the poor
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guy had no chance you know I mean he was basically surrounded by people who all felt they had some sort of mysterious
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mission and Lee Harvey Oswald was was the guy in the middle Oswald himself didn't have much of a
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connection this way connection to military intelligence probably that fluency in Russian we should tip you off
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right away in those days but the rest of the connections to the nine to the
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assassinations he for instance are incredible they're astonishing
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we know the CIA was playing for the Kennedy assassination we've all heard the stories well we don't really
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remember that the CIA at that time not only was involved in protecting Nazi
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scientists as much as they could and other Nazis around the world Nazi war criminals involved with the Vatican as I
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think we've all heard I'm working on a story right now that I hope I'll be able to publish by the end of the year
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involving the monastery roof in which the Catholic Church really deliberately
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helped a lot of very famous very prominent Nazi war criminals escape giving them Vatican passports safe
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houses some of the story you've heard already before but what we don't really realize the CIA at the time of the
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assassination for instance was heavily involved with another Nazi organization the gala organization which was running
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agents for the CIA in Eastern Europe and against the Soviet Union again just like
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in paperclip these Nazi scientists were not really working for us they were taking our money they were giving us
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phony reports they were virtually useless against the Soviet Union as it turns out years later as we find out
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when all the chips are in when all the information is there we find out they've been sabotaging us as well Allan Dulles
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was protecting Nazi war criminals since before the war ended we know that in
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transcripts of speeches and talks that he had with famous Nazi leaders going
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back to 1944 in 1945 and the fascinating thing about Allen Dulles bringing all of
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these pieces of these disparate things together was that he was out a merry
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bancroft's mistress okay Mary Bancroft was the friend of Ruth Forbes Payne young during the Warren Commission
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interviews with witnesses and you can read this in the Warren Commission transcripts look for Ruth Payne read her
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she appeared twice before the Commission talking about what she was doing in the days and weeks and months leading up to
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the assassination how she knew Lee and Marina Oswald all of these questions Allen Dulles is part of that committee
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he's sitting in at the point where Ruth Payne starts to talk about her trip to
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Philadelphia to meet Arthur Young two months before the assassination three months before the assassination
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Allen Dulles cuts her off and changes the subject he does not allow her to
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finish the story read the transcript for yourself you'll see it it's blatant Allen Dulles has been quiet the entire
50:48
time suddenly jumps in you know like a defense attorney and then suddenly says
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oh no we're not you know let's let's talk about this instead as she's about to say who she met who she was dealing
50:59
with Allen Dulles changes the subject changes the story her information about
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Arthur young never makes it into the record and she hasn't talked about it since what was going on Allen Dulles
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knew Mary Bancroft Marie Bancroft was Ruth Forbes Payne Young's best friend there was a very deep connection there
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Allen Dulles knew ahead of time he had to about Lee Oswald Ruth Payne Marina
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Oswald and all of us and he was desperate to cover up that part and make sure it never made it into the record of
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the Warren Commission so we have a lot of wild stuff going on including the fact that Ruth Payne's
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husband Michael Payne was working for Bell aerospace so what do we have we
51:45
have a garrison investigation alleging there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination the problem with garrison trying to
51:52
prove all of us is that he had a cast of characters nobody would believe right he had Clay Shaw who was an unbelievable
51:58
character on his own the man that he was trying for the assassination but he also had all these other characters he had
52:05
all these bishops you know he didn't know what to do with these bishops he couldn't understand that the bishops were a front for an
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intelligence operation he suspected it but he didn't know where to go with it paranormal researchers UFO personalities
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like guy Bannister like fredchristman and of course employees of NASA all of
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these people can be tied back to paperclip can be tied back to the Nazi space program the people that we brought
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over this was all part of the problem this was all part of what happened
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secrets were kept there are still declassified documents on the Kennedy
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assassination we know that thousands of documents have yet to be declassified thousands of documents on or to thousands of documents on the
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Admiral Byrd expedition to Antarctica right we've classified so much in the
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United States alone now think of your own countries I did a lot of work in
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Latin America people who know know that I when I was in Chile in 1979 researching the Nazi influence down
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there and trying to find out information about Nazi technology that had been smuggled to South America under military
53:15
dictatorships in Latin America of course there was no information secrecy was the order of the day documents were
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classified shredded burned things went on for 20 30 years in Latin America we'll never know
53:25
and yet many of our Nazis wound up there in Argentina and Chile and Bolivia or other like Brazil Colombia Ecuador Peru
53:35
everywhere there were Nazis in hiding all of these places they were scientists they were SS officers they brought
53:40
technology they brought money vast sums of money under Otto Skorzeny all of this
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was being brought and developed into programs Peron used to brag about his his space for zone space program
53:52
developing a new jet system a new a faster than a speed of like the kind of
53:57
thing that he was talking about and bragging about because he knew he had Nazi scientists there working for him the author Joseph Ferrell a very good
54:06
researcher has written about the Bell has written about alternative sources of energy that were being developed by Nazi
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scientists in South America in Bariloche very close to her I was detained in
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Chile on the other side of that border so there's a lot of secrecy yet we know
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history only the Declassified portions of history the world that we know is
54:31
based upon what we've been told we can read books about history and feel that
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we know what's going on but I can tell you the list the history the last hundred years is largely still
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classified we live in a kind of dream world thinking that we know would actually happen right now there's
54:47
information that the Japanese had detonated an atomic device in August of
54:53
1945 off the coast of Korea and there are Japanese intelligence officers who
54:59
come all over the story who are insisting that it took place if that's true we have to rewrite the end of world war 2
55:05
right then we have to go back and say wait a minute what really happened if we talk about paperclip the way I was
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taught in school in the 1950s and 60s was that the Nazis were out who they
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loot these were good Germans Wernher von Braun was never a Nazi dornberger was never not say all these guys were on our side as it turns out it wasn't true it
55:25
turns out they were sabotaging us every step of the way our space program was the result of Nazis trying to stonewall
55:33
us and to prevent us from getting there until eventually after Sputnik they were told you better do it or get out so
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that's what happened we sold our soul in the United States and not just the United States
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believe me other countries as well including the Soviet Union we sold our soul for this technology we dealt with
55:53
some of the worst war criminals in history not just even the Holocaust but
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the idea that they we had slave labor that they worked to death and replace with other slave laborers and these
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people who employed these slave laborers deliberately who were involved in every step of that process including the
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killing of these laborers also with the people that we brought over for the space program our space program has its
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origins in people on the one hand like Jack Parsons who once wrote that he was
56:23
the Antichrist he was a brilliant man but he believed he was the Antichrist and was ushering in a new age of
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witchcraft according to him and he was a follower of Crowley and member of the
56:35
Ordo Templi Orientis and all of us a very brilliant guy but a very strange guy on the one hand and we had the Nazis
56:41
on the other you know these were the people that were jump-starting the space program of the United States in starting
56:48
in 1936 and going up until well until the moon launched so we have to go back
56:54
and relook at this history and ask ourselves why why was it so necessary why was a space program militarily
57:00
necessary why did they work for the army why did they sabotage the process as much as they could why did the army
57:06
allow Nazi scientists to wander off the base and do whatever they wanted to do communicate with whomever they wanted to
57:12
Fort Bliss Texas is on the border of Texas and Mexico that region in the
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1940s was like Vienna during the Cold War it was a place where spies hung out
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with spies it was rife with all sorts of intelligence activity all sorts of things were going on that border area
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all the way from the California Mexico border all the way from Texas all the
57:34
way to Brownsville there was a lot of cross-border traffic a lot of very strange individuals across that border a lot of military people a lot of
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intelligence people the Nazis were still running spies after the end of the war because they were protecting Nazi assets
57:46
they were protecting SS officers who were making their way into the United
57:51
States from Latin America and people making their way from the States into places like Argentina being paid for by
57:58
Nazi gold so we have to reevaluate the history of the world since 1945 we have
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to go back and look at it again if we want to know what happened what's going on with the space program and about
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breakaway civilizations about motivations to create a space program
58:20
for the rich and the powerful we have to go back to this period of time we have to understand why it was that we could
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deal with the Nazis so easily why it was we thought that was the best thing that we could do why we gave them carte
58:32
blanche to allow them to do whatever they wanted to do while we bent over backwards for these guys murderers some
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of them wound up in positions of tremendous influence in South America Klaus Barbie became head of the secret police in Bolivia an official government
58:45
position at the same time he's running drugs guns and assassinating communist
58:51
leaders socialist leaders or anybody particular didn't like not only in South America but in Europe they're assassins
58:57
taking place in Spain and France and Germany on the orders of people like Barbie and Operation Condor in South
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America this is all part of our history these are not footnotes you know we were
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being told their footnotes we're being told it's not central to what actually happened I tell you though that's not
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true is anyone who knows who's traveled in those countries knows the stranglehold that the Nazis and the
59:22
Germans in general but the Nazis who specifically had on the economy of those countries on the culture of many of those areas it was incredible
59:29
you know and in some cases still is so who benefited right civilian control of
59:38
NASA begin at 57 the Nazi scientists remained in place they were there at the
59:44
very beginning of the UFO era many people believe the Nazis had developed the very first prototypes of the flying
59:51
saucer of wingless aircraft of alternate energy of the atomic bomb the Luftwaffe
59:57
had a map of Manhattan in which they were trying to estimate the damage an
1:00:02
atomic bomb would had and how many people would be killed this math was was developed in 1943 you know we know the
1:00:10
evidence is there we just have to keep looking something else was going on what they told us was not the way it happened
1:00:17
and now my fear is in the United States because we have the Patriot Act and
1:00:23
because we have all sorts of ways to stifle inquiry to stop information from
1:00:28
getting out more secrets can be kept more programs can be instituted about which we will know nothing until it's
1:00:35
too late Kennedy was perceived as a threat to the program he had signed trees with the
1:00:42
Soviets promised not to invade Cuba this was against the Nazi ideology this was
1:00:48
contrary to a Nazi platform not an American platform Kennedy was a very
1:00:53
popular president you know but his idea of cutting a deal with the Soviets and
1:00:58
essentially saving the world from thermonuclear war in 1962 was
1:01:03
disregarded because many in the military thought we should have gone to work the Nazi right-wing coalition is very strong
1:01:10
in the United States it still is if you look at who finances and who helps
1:01:15
certain a certain political party in the United States you're going to find that there is tremendous support from Nazi
1:01:22
and neo-nazi organizations for that political party one party in particular not the other so you're going to ask
1:01:29
yourself what is all this about Reagan President Reagan of course was heavily supported by something called the world
1:01:35
anti-communist League the world anti-communist League was populated almost entirely by Nazis
1:01:41
former Nazi officers former people who had worked against the Soviets working for fascist and Nazi dictatorships and
1:01:48
it was incredible stuff because they were true believers George Patton famously said we were pointing our guns
1:01:55
in the wrong direction when we went after the Nazis we should have gone after the Soviets there's a lot that we
1:02:05
could talk about and I don't have the time I don't think how am I going for time
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you I'll just keep talking until you tell me
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to stop okay really oh cool
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okay in that case the pause that refreshes here's the question I want to
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ask what more was there at stake why was
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going to be killed it had to be for some really big reason it couldn't be because they didn't like his hair you know it
1:03:01
had to be for something really specific and something big something major something that was going to affect the
1:03:06
economy and the political structure power structures that existed did Kennedy's insistence on going to the
1:03:12
moon robbed other projects of finances and resources that they needed was the moon
1:03:20
a kind of key mark Chimera a kind of a quixotic a dream that we should go to
1:03:26
the moon first and show our superiority over the Soviets was it something that
1:03:34
took money and power away from this inner circle of right-wing zealots of
1:03:41
Nazis who had a different approach to science a different approach to the space program people who wanted to do
1:03:47
their own thing and that Kennedy's insistence that we're going to put all of our money into the space program took
1:03:53
away power from them gave more power to NASA but took it away from the military and took it away from other projects so
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was there in the 1960s a secret space program we talked a lot about the
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military-industrial complex Eisenhower President Eisenhower warned us about that in his farewell address
1:04:16
when he left office and we've focused on
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that too a great deal but we don't really know what it is we know it has to do with guns and the army but remember
1:04:27
that the military also was developing rockets jet propulsion various types of missiles NASA was solely occupied with
1:04:36
visiting all the planets according to its brief its space science was satellites going to other
1:04:41
planets it was a non-military application of space technology the military was still involved in their own
1:04:48
aspects of space technology and this involved missiles in involve alternate
1:04:56
sources of energy it involved different types of aircraft that could try to fly at tremendous
1:05:01
speeds a couple of about 18 months ago as an example I was invited to
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participate as an observer and in a meeting of former intelligence officers
1:05:16
out in Las Vegas go figure
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and during the course of that that time that I spent there we visited very
1:05:27
several military installations and we had had all sorts of security checks done and all of that and you've all
1:05:33
heard of area 51 well there was a crew put there was a presentation given much like I'm giving
1:05:39
one now on area 51 by one of the guys who was there who spent his lifetime there and he was very bitter about the
1:05:46
fact that even the CIA could have an association where former spooks could
1:05:51
sit down and chat and have drinks and talk about their failures or successes that the guys at area 51 could not
1:05:58
they're still bound by secrecy laws of things that happened back in nineteen to 1950s and 1960s you might remember the
1:06:06
u2 incidents you know the Nazis had the v2 we had the YouTube and the u2 was our
1:06:12
stealth plane that took photographs of the Soviet Union of other countries it
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was a spy plane that of course was was developed at area 51 that was where it
1:06:23
was housed that's where it was based so all of this took place at area 51 and area 51 according to popular
1:06:31
understanding was a military installation a military base that's not exactly true it was an intelligence operation and
1:06:38
nothing really to do directly with the military it was an indirect relationship that was that was had at area 51 so you
1:06:45
had the development of the YouTube people of course always say they were back-engineering reverse engineering
1:06:52
spacecraft or UFOs that sort of thing there this guy would not talk about that of course he poo pood the idea but his
1:06:58
presentation began with a picture of an alien and the theme song from the
1:07:05
x-files right so he starts his presentation this way and of course everybody laughs politely or nervously
1:07:12
and then he goes on to give his talk about area 51 and thank you he says I
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have until three o'clock sorry don't worry I've got a lot more presentations
1:07:33
in here believe me we could do this all night
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so he went into a lot of detail about what happened up there and how we lost more of our CIA agents in a single
1:07:56
accident involving area 51 than we ever lost in the field so there was a lot going on up there and that's still
1:08:02
classified he still can't really talk about it not even to a group of former intelligence officers who had all signed
1:08:07
secrecy oaths and everything else and he still couldn't go into it you know so his presentation was rather thin but he
1:08:14
did talk about the YouTube programs and Francis Gary Powers and all of that and everybody in the audience understood
1:08:20
that when he's talking about Francis Gary Powers the pilot of the u2 who was shot down over the Soviet Union we're
1:08:25
also talking about Lee Harvey Oswald we're also talking about Oswald's involvement with that particular part of
1:08:31
the space program because Oswald was stationed as we know at Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan which was one of only two
1:08:38
bases in the world at which the u2 would take off from that was the base where was had kept so the flights from Japan
1:08:45
went over the Soviet Union and Oswald's job as a radar operator was in the room
1:08:50
with the traffic controllers that were sending up the you tube so every time we
1:08:56
turn around in in these major political events we run across the space program again in some way shape or form
1:09:03
it was insidious it involved all sorts of aspects of of American life things
1:09:09
that we would never expect why did people who worked at Riley coffee company all go to work for NASA
1:09:14
why did Lodge well claim that he was getting a job at NASA why did all these
1:09:19
other spooks and all these other strange people wind up somehow with the space program and then again with the Kennedy
1:09:26
assassination there is something very serious going on here there's a very strange part of American
1:09:32
history and by extension in a way of American world history that's taking place with the space
1:09:38
program if you look at the space programs in Europe if you look at the space programs in China in other parts
1:09:44
of the world you will see all the connections going back to this one central phenomenon of the space race
1:09:51
between the Soviet Union and the United States and you have to ask yourself was it really a space race you know
1:09:57
politicians on both sides may have thought it was a race low-level politicians may have caught us
1:10:02
and may have been stricken with fear that we were in a race against the Russians for domination of space we may
1:10:09
have thought this but the scientists on either side I think never had any illusions about this there was no race
1:10:15
there was a cooperation you know someone at some point decided the Soviets can go
1:10:21
first they all have their Sputnik and they'll send a dog into space and then eventually they will send an astronaut
1:10:27
into space the Russians had the first go at it how could they possibly when we
1:10:32
had the creme de la creme when we had all of the best of the brightest of the Nazi space program how did that happen
1:10:37
he had him in a cooperation between the scientists themselves this implicates or
1:10:42
implies that there was another level of government in the world at that time
1:10:50
that there was another basis of cooperation of collaboration between people that we thought would die our
1:10:56
enemies that there were networks of people operating throughout the world who cooperate with each other in some
1:11:02
way shape or form and this is what we have in the in the space program they
1:11:07
cooperate so much that people died people were killed people were assassinated serious investigations into
1:11:13
the UFOs led to the deaths of a lot of people James McDonald famous scientist
1:11:19
who went before Congress and insisted that the UFO sightings were not the result of sightings of the planet Venus
1:11:25
swamp gas or weather balloons for this he was ridiculed he was later found dead
1:11:31
they said he committed suicide they always say they committed suicide it's the standard response Marie Jessup right
1:11:40
involved in the Philadelphia Experiment stuff and a researcher into UFOs and all of that commits suicide they say in
1:11:47
Miami Florida you know all of these people who are seriously involved in this study who tried to promote it we
1:11:54
try to talk reasonably about it not wild-eyed aluminum foil hat wearing
1:12:00
people you know talking that their minds are being controlled from Venus or something these are serious people James
1:12:06
McDonald was a very serious guy he was it was a scientist he was a doctor a PhD a meteorologist he knew what he was
1:12:11
talking about dead Jessop a very reasonable guy a very sort
1:12:19
of scientific minded guy not the kind of while that guy who would believe anything that anybody ever told him in the last month or two of his life was
1:12:26
extremely paranoid extremely nervous he felt that there was something going on if somebody was after him and then he
1:12:31
wound up dead in Miami so we have these things connected with the UFO program why if the UFO phenomenon is a figment
1:12:40
of our imagination if we're projecting stuff onto atmospheric conditions and
1:12:47
we're seeing ghosts or something like that why all of this secrecy
1:12:52
why all the murder why all the suicides what does that have to do with just
1:12:58
believing in six impossible things before breakfast there's something very serious something that points to people
1:13:06
who are willing to spill blood in the furtherance of a goal or an objective
1:13:12
and the best example we have of that in the last hundred years has been of
1:13:17
course the the Nazis and the SS people who thought that to kill huge numbers of
1:13:22
people was justified for a kind of spiritual reason the Nazis believed very
1:13:28
seriously this was not propaganda they believed very seriously the idea that in
1:13:34
the blood is the spirit they believe that your race carried a spiritual component and that those of inferior
1:13:41
races quote-unquote were inferior spiritually so it was okay to kill them it was fact it was necessary to kill
1:13:48
them to purify the rest of the planet to purify the race this was something they believe very sincerely and they look to
1:13:54
American scientists who came up with this idea and something called eugenics and the race science program so when you
1:14:03
have people who believe that the ends justify the means when you have people who believe that murder is acceptable
1:14:09
even on a huge scale because of the responsibility they have to jumpstart evolution the next stage of it and then
1:14:16
they lose a war do you really think they're going to go away do you really think they're going to say shucks
1:14:23
lost the war I guess we're all going to become Democrat yeah it's not going to happen it just
1:14:29
won't happen many times I've told people the same example of Christianity
1:14:35
Christianity began and lived underground in cemeteries in catacombs meeting
1:14:42
secretly at night for over 300 years before it was accepted in the Roman
1:14:48
Empire 300 years these people who believed in a kind of an impossible
1:14:53
thing a resurrected person right they kept on to that belief for 300 years the
1:15:00
Nazis lost their war in 1945 right 65 66 years ago that's not a long time some of
1:15:09
them are still alive some of these people are still alive and they're still having influence in their own countries they're having influence as far away as
1:15:15
Australia they're all over the place you know and as they die off they have
1:15:20
people who are following in their footsteps people they've talked to indoctrinated they don't go away
1:15:26
this is a culpa does not disappear the problem with this particular cult is that they're very well-funded and they
1:15:32
have a lot of supporters in a lot of countries I should say including this country but a lot of other countries no
1:15:39
one is immune they're everywhere okay and I'm not saying this out of paranoia I'm the kind of person who
1:15:45
generally does not behave that way or think that way but the the facts the documents speak to themselves the the
1:15:53
presence of Nazis and neo-nazis in this world in general has growing it's not
1:15:58
going away I travel a lot last 20 years especially a travel to more than maybe 40 50
1:16:06
countries and I find constantly in airports in developing nations
1:16:11
particularly copies of the protocols of the Elders of Zion this famous hopes
1:16:16
that was invented by the Soviets of the bazzara secret police back before the
1:16:21
Russian Revolution I mean they're being reprinted in local languages everywhere
1:16:26
Henry Ford the American inventor who invented the assembly line for making automobiles was a notorious anti-semite
1:16:33
he was part of our to be origins of our military-industrial complexes assembly line technology was
1:16:40
used to make planes and jets and bombs and tanks and everything else here was a guy who was as anti-semitic as Hitler to
1:16:47
whom Hitler gave the highest award that Nazi Germany could give to a non German in the same year that he gave it to
1:16:54
Benito Mussolini Henry Ford's writings are being reprinted around the world his
1:17:01
anti-semitic diatribes that go on for pages and pages and pages are being reprinted and available everywhere I
1:17:07
found it in airports in Latin America and on books book stalls and newspaper stands in Malaysia and Indonesians in
1:17:14
Singapore I mean everywhere being offered as though it was true being offered without criticism without
1:17:20
critique there's a beginning of a wave of this kind of anti-semitic pro-nazi
1:17:28
pro-fascist sentiment that's taking place and it's taking place everywhere it's taking place the United States as
1:17:34
well as anywhere else because people are afraid it's the fear that we've we've
1:17:40
inherited I talked briefly about Charles Manson I made a passing reference to him
1:17:46
Charles Manson was brilliant in a sense he said get the fear that was his famous
1:17:54
slogan get the fear become afraid marry
1:18:00
the fear become wedded to it this way it cannot control you understand the fear
1:18:05
you know feel it in your bones and then you can get past it the idea was to fear completely and then not to fear anything
1:18:12
anymore Manson famously feared nothing I mean at
1:18:17
the same time he was a great manipulator here is used to control it's used to
1:18:22
control us in the 1950s as I was growing up in the Cold War we believed at any
1:18:27
moment we were going to be bombed by the Russians or the Chinese and other Chinese we're going to do it but we were told the Chinese unitive the Russians of
1:18:35
course wouldn't Obama so any moment we were living with this every day we heard the air-raid silence sirens every week they kept testing the air-raid siren so
1:18:43
we'd always hear an air-raid siren at that time I lived in Chicago and sirens was off you know they kept testing every
1:18:49
week at any moment you know here these things on the wrong day and we knew the day had come we would be bombed this fear made it possible for
1:18:56
the military-industrial complex to grow and then you know things kind of quiet
1:19:02
it down the Soviet Union fell the Cold War was quote-unquote over nothing else
1:19:08
to fear anymore of course that would mean tremendous loss of revenue for the
1:19:13
companies that had been based on here so we needed something else right we need another enemy so Saddam Hussein came
1:19:19
along he was very very convenient for us so Saddam Hussein was a new enemy a new
1:19:25
scapegoat you know new new people to to hatin people to fight against him people to raise an army again so everybody was
1:19:32
happy again back in the state of Connecticut which is virtually run by the defense establishment everybody got
1:19:37
their jobs back and then of course famously we had 9/11 now a lot of people
1:19:43
will ask do you believe in 9/11 was created by a conspiracy I always tell people it doesn't matter look at what
1:19:49
happened look at how 9/11 was used that's what's important really important
1:19:55
because 9/11 was used the way to go back to the 1930s the way Hitler used the
1:20:00
Reichstag fire there was a fire definitely there was a fire it took
1:20:05
place at the German parliament no doubt about it what was in doubt was who
1:20:12
started the fire Hitler said they were communists he said there's a communist
1:20:17
conspiracy in this country it's going to destroy us you have to give me all of the authority you have to surrender your
1:20:23
liberties and I'll keep you safe we know what happened in 9/11 same thing happen
1:20:32
we were told oh we have vomit terrorists or everywhere they're going to kill us in order to be safe you have to give me
1:20:38
the president the United States total power well we have to be able to spy on you within a suspend habeas corpus we're
1:20:45
going to do all these things because we need to keep you safe well what's the point then you know
1:20:52
what's the point of surrendering who you are and your identity for safety you can
1:20:58
only do that if you feel really really afraid it only works if there's fear if
1:21:03
there's no fear you're right mind you would never make that trade-off never would never occur
1:21:08
to you to do that it's only fear that makes it possible so as Manson said get the fear you know
1:21:14
fear is this great motivator of people and fear is used to keep us from looking
1:21:20
at what may have really happened what may have really transpired so when we
1:21:26
talk about a secret space program as I've said before why wouldn't there be a secret space program
1:21:31
why wouldn't there be we have a lot of people here we are afraid of certain
1:21:37
things and the people with power are afraid of something else the people with power are afraid this planet may become
1:21:43
uninhabitable soon they're afraid there may be wars over water - maybe wars over clean air whether or
1:21:51
not you believe in global warming whether or not you believe it was created by humans or not not the issue
1:21:56
the people in charge they won't tell you this but they do believe in global warming they do believe that the planet
1:22:03
is gradually becoming less and less inhabitable so there would be a secret
1:22:08
space program there would be a program to get as many of their people off planet as possible why not why wouldn't
1:22:14
there be that's a pretty good investment I think of time resources money technology whatever we know that
1:22:22
individual entrepreneurs are developing their own space shuttles charging a few million dollars for a seat that should
1:22:28
tell you something well it's going to cost us to get off this planet if we had to for any particular reason you know so
1:22:34
there are there people willing to say we're building our own rocket ships like an array Bradbury story you know we're
1:22:41
going to have our own rocket ships we're going to leave you know and all you guys are gonna have to stay behind and deal with whatever it is that whatever mess
1:22:46
we've created so yes these secrets will exist they have to I mean people in
1:22:52
charge are not stupid we may think they're stupid we laugh at our politicians in every country but they're
1:22:58
not all that stupid some of them are you know some of them are reptiles you know
1:23:05
he's a David Icke expression I'm speaking metaphorically he's not but we think I think we agree common ground
1:23:11
there so you have to ask yourself what is your what is your position on this
1:23:17
where do you fit in where do we as individuals fit in you know if the government can keep secrets as they did
1:23:24
with the space program as they did with paperclip as they did with the assassinations as they did with Admiral
1:23:30
Byrd's Diaries for crying out loud if the government keeps those secrets why can't we have our own secrets you know
1:23:37
why as individuals we're not allowed to have a patriot act for ourselves why
1:23:43
can't we tell our governments no you can't have this information about me it's classified a friend of mine a guy
1:24:00
called Norman Mailer years ago during Watergate came up with the idea that the
1:24:06
people should have their own CIA this was his concept so there should be a people's CIA you know to bulk to work
1:24:13
against the other CIA we should be collecting our information well things like WikiLeaks have made this possible
1:24:19
right so the Internet is made as possible we have the information available to us we can start digging
1:24:24
people do come out of the woodwork they do start spilling their guts you know there are people who are close to what's
1:24:30
going on who have a little piece of information and they're willing to share it and these people when you put these
1:24:37
pieces together you can start to see what's really going on that's a good thing but also we have to have a way to
1:24:43
protect our own information this is a thing that governments will never agree to they will say wait a minute you know we're keeping secrets we have
1:24:50
our classification systems we have documents we have things that you're not supposed to know because you can't handle the truth and as Jack Nicholson
1:24:56
said you can't handle it but yet they give to themselves the right to know everything they possibly
1:25:02
can about you how does that happen you know how does that work so I think Norman Mailer was right what you need is
1:25:09
a way to collect information to defend yourselves against the collection of
1:25:14
information against you and there has to be a way to do this and in the secret space probe
1:25:20
and that we're talking about we will continue to talk about today you're going to hear about a lot of secrecy you
1:25:25
can hear about a lot of suggestions for new types of technology that have been going on we know that technologies exist
1:25:33
for instance that would give us free energy or close to free energy and they've been existence for a long time
1:25:39
we can't get access to that you know because of government policy is because of secrecy because of classified
1:25:46
documents because of the opposition by corporations so our lives are on the
1:25:52
line you know because of these policies that are taking these positions that are
1:25:57
taken and they're not taken by you and you and me they're not taken by people in general it's not all of us getting
1:26:03
together and saying why no we shouldn't have free energy that's horrible you know none of us would agree to that and
1:26:09
yet we have to accept it and this is what's wrong this is the kind of mentality that helped to support
1:26:14
the space program back in the 1940s and 50s when we brought Nazi scientists over
1:26:19
we were not allowed to object people did people did Jewish organizations wrote
1:26:25
letters complaining to Truman wrote letters complaining to the Pentagon about bringing Nazi scientists to the
1:26:31
United States Truman was on their side Truman forbade the Pentagon from bringing Nazis to the United States he
1:26:37
said no we will not do this this this this barters our soul you can't possibly
1:26:42
cut deals with these murderers to Pentagon ignore him that's how much power the president has been depending
1:26:49
on ignorant big totally ignore him and internally the memos that have surfaced in the last few years show that they
1:26:56
thought well the Jews are overreacting you know they saw those films about the Holocaust
1:27:01
we can't trust their judgment right now excuse me
1:27:06
how could anyone who had seen the film clips in the late 1940s as they came out
1:27:12
of Germany and we're being showed at every movie theater in the United States and all the soldiers coming back talking
1:27:17
about liberating the camps how could anybody had said the Jews were overreacting you know they're just being
1:27:23
emotional I know must be that time of the month of the Jews
1:27:32
but that's what that's what the reaction was and it's chilling to read this in the documents that have been Declassified go online and find them
1:27:39
they're there you know you can read this for yourself it is it is astonishing read a book by Linda hunt called secret
1:27:44
agenda great book okay she goes into a lot of detail she reproduces these documents it was very difficult to get a
1:27:52
copy of this book in the United States after it was published when I was researching sinister forces and I was
1:27:58
looking for a copy of secret agenda by Linda hunt I had to get a copy in French
1:28:04
because there were no copies at all in the United States at that time you could not get a used copy you could not get a
1:28:10
new copy there was nothing luckily I can refresh otherwise you know what's the point but
1:28:15
I did manage to get the book in French now you can get it you can download it but you can't get it in print and here's
1:28:21
a book that blew the lid off what was taking place with the paper clip program and how we had been lied to by so many
1:28:28
people regarding the Nazi background of people like Wernher von Braun and dornberger strughold and everyone else
1:28:34
all the Nazis we're talking thousands that were brought over not a few hundred as normally the history books will tell
1:28:40
you many more than that and the paper clip program went all the way through the 1960s boys and girls it wasn't just
1:28:49
the 1940s or even 1950s it went all the way up to 1960 and beyond we were bringing scientists over that late
1:28:55
wherever we could find them giving them jobs setting them up they became wealthy in many cases von Braun did dornberger
1:29:02
did as they were plotting to kill political leaders and doing all sorts of
1:29:08
other things we gave them a lot of work and a lot of money you know this is the
1:29:13
information that we need in order to make decisions about who were supporting what programs we support what policies
1:29:20
we support we don't know enough to make these decisions yet because we've been lied to for so long but if we go on the
1:29:27
supposition that everything is lies and we'll never know the truth we will freeze our years will freeze and we'll
1:29:33
stop you know we won't go any further we will say to ourselves well we'll never know anything it's all a secret it's a
1:29:39
mystery we'll have give up don't do that you know don't do that don't deny what people like a
1:29:46
WikiLeaks founder was doing or the people who are blowing the whistle to WikiLeaks actually are all these people going on the line and saying here's
1:29:52
what's really going on here the memos here's the real history of the world being told in these memos don't deny
1:30:00
their sacrifice they are trying to get this word out they're trying to make every one of us aware of what's really going on
1:30:05
it makes for very sad reading of course some of it is chilling some of it is just depressing but we need to know we
1:30:12
need to know what's really going on are
1:30:18
we Oh officially we're not no problem but I
1:30:29
won't keep you going very much longer I think you've heard what I have to say I think that the other speakers are going
1:30:36
to have their own angles and all of this and expand it even more but I just wanted to give you a lot of things to think about think about the
1:30:43
assassination of Kennedy because it brings all of these elements together in very unusual ways think about the weird
1:30:50
churches that were involved because we know more about them today than we knew even ten years ago or 20 years ago
1:30:55
these churches are still involved they were involved in the iran-contra they were involved in the former Yugoslavia
1:31:00
and all of the fighting that was going on there church leaders their names are connected to all of us they're still running
1:31:06
operations it's still a covert ops organization the American Orthodox Catholic Church you'll find them
1:31:12
everywhere and they're running agents all sorts of places not everyone is an agent some of them
1:31:17
are very sincere people but not many so keep an eye on that keep an eye on what's going on when you find anomalies
1:31:24
in the news as you're reading it pay attention when you find things that don't quite make sense pay attention
1:31:29
when a name shows up in one news story that had showed up in one five years ago that you remember pay attention you know
1:31:36
when these things happen when these so-called coincidences take place that's when you realize there's the action of
1:31:43
what I call the sinister forces at work so you can pay attention you will learn something it'll make you a little
1:31:48
nervous they'll make you a little fearful but it will be real information it will be something you can really know and use
1:31:54
and understand so thank you very much for your patience thank you very much
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Allan LaVigne(UFO 研究者) : 自身の UFO/ET 目撃、abduction 体験を語る (途中1)

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- Allan LaVigne(UFO 研究者)が自身の体験を証言している。グレイも登場するが、極めて風変わりな ET (下図)が登場しているのが面白い。

- この UFO/ET 遭遇時に妻を起こしたといい、翌日に妻は起こされたことを覚えていたという。

- 当夜、現場付近に明かりを見たという第三者の証言もあると。

- DeepL は後日。

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- 59:00-- 彼(左)自身の UFO/ET 目撃体験。

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I want to
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come back to your experience now your second one so all of that is going on yeah all that all that went on
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you know uh started you know I sent you a copy of some of the uh the
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pre-artwork you know what the train would look like what the exhibits would look like oh yes and we're going to show those when we uh when we come back to
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that and that was sent up line to someone in the administration and they okayed it they they said like what
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you're doing keep going and um yeah I'm going oh this this is going
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to turn into something but it wasn't today people were going oh my God it's good we expected it so it wasn't like oh
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my God it was like oh it's about time you know we're gonna get this out and again you got to remember there wasn't
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the internet there was there wasn't even in film there were maybe two dozen major
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film releases a year at that time for major Studios the uh you people
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didn't travel to places places had to travel to you the circus but you know the the rodeo
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whatever was right it came to these cities so there were only three networks uh
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anything that was on the network people would have been skeptical about they want if you were going to reveal the UFO
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thing you had to have something that people could look at and see so they're
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going to put all the stuff on this train take it around everyone get to see it equal opportunity that is remarkable
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that's that's what they were going to do so you were you were involved in all this yeah so I was involved in all this
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and of course over 74 I've been talking to the most high
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profile uh Witnesses objectives all this time I never quitted with that first incident
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that I never thought back really only until recently I started thinking like they know it's coming out
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at that time were they watching me was there something that I don't know anything about but
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somehow from 1974 I got involved with afro and I'm interviewing all these people bringing a lot of attention to
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myself uh I think now um and
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this is how the thing occurred let me just get into this particular USA uh at
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the time um lived on blacklich uh Avenue in Tucson Arizona and it wasn't far from
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Fort Lowell park it was really on the North edge of the city almost into the Foothills the Foothills Kelly and
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foothills were in walking distance from where we lived I mean 79 or 78 79. 79
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then the spring or summer of 79. okay and uh so uh we lived at the time in uh very
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nice people don't think of it that way now but but we live in a very nice double wide trailer which was kind of a
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big deal for a Tucson at the time um and like I say it was close to the edge of town but more rural area and we
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were the the very first trailer when he entered that park now there was all trailers across the driveway from us
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were three little small one bedroom uh bungalows so I lived there with my wife we were
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married and um uh uh south of us was an old lady
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with an Airstream trailer she was a cat lady she must have 20 30 cats and they'd
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prowl around all day long and at night she'd go in take 15 of them with her and the most Wild Ones she left outside
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so my I my wife was very good to me she was very uh always wanted to she tamed me
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basically she turned me into a civilized gentleman and you're going to bed
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you're going to bed and uh we used to watch uh George Burns Gracie Allen at uh
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it came on Channel 11 kcaz at 10 o'clock at night and it was over at 10 30 and at
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10 30 she'd probably get up from the sofa and turn off TV okay it's time to go to bed and I go
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uh and every night well this was a Friday night yeah she turns on TV will go to bed well
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every three or four days a week when we go to bed we turn off the lights
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they'll lay next door and she's already asleep and the cats would see our lights
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off and they decide oh my God it's time to terrorize everybody right
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they they get out there was a electrical pole behind was that the trailer was hooked up to behind the trailer and they
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climbed that pole to get on the roof and start fighting with one another so you'd hear the cats on the roof of your trailer of the trailer and it it's just
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like they jump on it because they had to jump to it and you hear bang bang fight
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back and forth back and forth this happened three or four times a week and um my wife was a very heavy sleeper she
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she'd hit that bed she was out in 36 with myself I'd be awake for an hour or so at least and we had this this
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particular Friday night we'd just gone to bed and I just pulled the covers around and
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I bang it startled me so bad like oh God the cats going back and forth uh all I
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just was full of adrenaline I'm gonna oh these damn cats so what I would do to get them off the roof
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as I get out of bed go to the kitchen pantry and we had a broom in there I
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take the broom I take the Bristol ant and smack it up against the wooden ceiling there was a wooden paneled
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ceiling I used the bristles because I didn't want to poke holes in the the panel and stuff so I'd smack the broom
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so right because you guys were renting this this is kind of an important part of the story too yeah yeah we were we were wearing this we didn't want to
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damage this the ceiling no no you're hitting with the bristles yeah so I was just hang out with the bristles
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and uh so that's what I did I went out there and smacking trying
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bang bang trying to get them off and as I'm doing that the kitchen
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was open to the living room and the living room face north towards Catalan Foothills and there were three uh large
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pitcher windows and to the um uh East was the door to the trailer
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and that window was pebbled glass so you can't see through it it's all you know
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kind of sort of foggy you can't see through it but the three pitcher Windows my wife made beautiful long golden
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um draperies that went from Florida CEO so I'm saying they're banging on thing
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and I notice the lights the drapes are all lit up bright and that normally
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meant that someone had pulled in the driveway and it would reflect on the drapes because people right at the entrance
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driveway there was a little sign with the name of the trail park I think it was purple sage trailer park something
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like that and there was a light and people would pull in there and check their maps and stuff to see if they were
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lost or whatever or someone would be dropped off there and so when I saw it all lit up I
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thought oh someone's in the driveway you know no big deal poking on the ceiling the cat's dispersed they probably get
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off so put the broom back go back to bed and I get into the covers it's like they
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knew it's just like they're waiting I get out of the girls oh I was even angry I was so angry
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because this had been happening week up week after week I go back out and I grab
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that broom and I'm banging the bristles and I get so angry oh darn I'm gonna spin I spin the broom around and I'm
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gonna use the wood handle but I'm thinking to myself be careful don't poke holes in the ceiling because you're
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gonna you're gonna smack that you'll Dent the wood or whatever yeah right yeah and because that is almost like a
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veneer it was just you know paneling to have those old trailers You're Building so but I'm gonna be careful I'm gonna
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pull back and I'm banging you know and and the cat's dispersed and I looked and
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I see it's so lit up and I go like uh although the the picture windows lit up like I wonder who that is and I'm
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thinking because across the street there are some little bungles one of the bungalows belong to uh uh my wife's
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girlfriend whose dad owned the trailer park and she lived in a little Bungalow although someone must be dropping her
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off I forget her name but I'm just gonna peek out and see if it's her somebody else is parked in the driveway so I peek
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out the left um I'm sorry it would be the right side window the east side window to look
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North down the driveway and I look down there and driveways lit up but there's no car there
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I uh and so it must be the other direction so I looked the other direction I look South down the driveway and
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that's when everything changed and I remember my thoughts exactly that is not what I
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expected to see it was the first thought that I that went through my mind what I see
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uh it's down by the third bungalow half on the driveway half off the
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driveway in the the dirt uh is an egg shape what I quickly discerned this
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looks like a landing crab egg-shaped I'd say about size of a Volkswagen's bugs
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sitting on its rear end egg shape uh white with a lavender glow it was bright
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enough um that like I said it it lit all the way down the driveway but it was a soft
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light it was bright enough to reflect it's just like many people describe on the spaceship there was light
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but it's like you can't see where the direction where it's coming from but it was coming from this this was glowing
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and two things I thought of and one of your uh other friends uh uh Deborah
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Jordan describe the same thing because she saw very similar shift I thought the same thing how does
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anybody get in that little thing and it had four little spindly legs tiny
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they were long but they were just like broad like they were very yes yes you're
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referring to uh Deborah Deb Cobble who in Bud Hopkins book was uh given The
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Suitor named Kathy Jordan yeah yeah that's what that was and when in her experience uh she was in Indy
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um Indiana I think yeah by Indianapolis uh she was a similar egg-shaped yeah
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with also very very thin legs yeah yeah exactly and her thought I think it's
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like you're thinking how is that thing standing up on those because those are really thin legs yeah it's and that's
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exactly what what went through my mind and I didn't know anything about her case wasn't until 1980 81. it was uh
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yeah it was in the 80s yeah yeah so that hadn't even happened yet and I'm looking
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I'm just like Australia hey I'm going like again just like when I saw back in
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74 the other one I said somebody else has to see this because no one's going to believe me now there was a doorway of
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a rectangular doorway uh and because of the light the doorway was black but there was a thing hanging
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out of it now I wasn't a creature to me looking at it it looked to me robotic it
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I would describe it it looked like the anime character Gumby you're familiar
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with that stop it looked gummy it was white but the head was like
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Cuban shaped head with no eyes no nose no nothing and they are but the arms were like Gumby arms there was no elbow
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or and the hands were Mitten like there were no fingers it was just Mitten with
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a thumb and it's leaning out of that thing looking my direction and motioning to be with his hand like this like come
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out interesting now do you think was it uh roughly human size like the size of
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an adult yeah I'd say it was about uh at least five feet tall okay because I'm
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I'm looking at to I get the 12 feet from talked about
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for the ship and I'm looking at the doorway and its head didn't fit the didn't touch the top of the doorway but
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it was cut off the door the bottom of the doorway cut off just below it's it's what would be where your knees would be
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so yeah I'm guesimating it was about five feet tall maybe okay five and a
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half you know something of a of a normal size a normal size you know human but it
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it did it didn't look human it looked mechanical it looked robotic okay and it's waiting for you to come to see it's
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it's weather was waving to me I don't know but it would look that's what that's how I interpret is like come out
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you know come outside and I got somebody else has to see this no one will believe me and particularly I'm thinking I'm
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working with afro and I'm seeing this thing this and this wasn't late at night
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this this was maybe 11 o'clock at night yeah right and you know and you've
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shared this many times how is it why triangles can can come over hover over a house in the middle of the night and
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nobody's feel hey this thing landed in the driveway I mean we were close to the edge of town but anybody walking outside
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would have seen this thing you know sitting there in the driveway but there it was go figure so I'm I'm like I got
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somebody's got to see so I ran back to the bedroom get my wife and
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I'm shaking her wake up wake up you got to come see this you gotta wake up this is really important and I'm shaking her
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I pull the covers out I literally set her up in bed and I said wake up you got
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to come see this and she go wow you know she's growing what are you talking about oh it's real important you got to come
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out and see this come on come on come on wake up are you awake she goes yeah I'm awake I'm awake I'll be there just give me a second give me a sec so I go back
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out and I I fully expect I'm gonna get back out there and look through the window again it's going to be gone you
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know that's that's how these things go right so I go back and I peek out there no it's still there like oh my God it's
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motion again you know like come outside come outside and uh you know I go like
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oh you know I'm looking and I look down the hallway see if you know my wife's
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coming and she's not I don't see her coming down the hallway it's like oh I gotta go get her and I run down she's
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gone back to sleep and she's leaving back down she's back asleep this eyes are no it's just like trying to get
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someone to have a burning building you know I got she's got to get up this she's got it so I pull the covers
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completely down and I take her legs and spit them out over the the bed and I set her up on the edge of the bed I said you
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gotta wake up up you gotta come see this this is really really important are you awake and I'm shaking her she's just
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going yeah yeah she's getting a little angry you know you would think that anyone in that situation like if you're
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in a deep sleep I mean we all want to keep sleeping when we're in a deep sleep but if someone's
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awake if your spouse is waking you must get out of bed like most people would be like what what's going on like they were
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she was she was all right they would wake up this uh
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but not since that time she she just doesn't sleep that deeply anymore you
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know uh um because although well we'll get into more but uh at that time she was
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just almost an narcoleptic if she went to sleep she went to sleep okay I mean she
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felt sometimes we'd go out to a party or something and she'd fall asleep at the party and you couldn't wake her up I
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remember one time we were at a party she fell asleep it was uh my uh
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grandmother's birthday party oh I got she was almost 100 and she fell asleep at the birthday
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party yeah it's I'm not dissing her she she worked very hard she she was just
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really tired she fell asleep and I literally carried her to the car like a baby
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I was wondering if she was under some kind of influence because she wouldn't wake up but she was a very super heavy
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sleeper she was a super heavy sleeper super heavy sleeper so you're trying to you you've got it you got her legs off
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the bed now she's setting up straight on the edge of the bed and I run back out to the living room I
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look out through the window again and it's still there but something's changed now the little Bungalow that it's in
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front of there was the couple that lived there we call them the hippie couple I I didn't know their name I never spoke to
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them the entire time they were there but we call them the hippie couple because they were hippies you know and you know
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they they were dope smokers and nobody really associated with them I don't know if they had any employment they had no
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car and uh they're living in this little I mean these these bundles were so tiny
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I mean they were broken to a living room bedroom and kitchen but it wouldn't the whole thing would be
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bigger than a large bedroom you know it was very very tiny so it was very cheap and very affordable and they were living
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there and now they're outside in their bed clothes uh the girl was
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wearing a long dark t-shirt went down uh to her knees uh Barefoot he was in a
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t-shirt dark t-shirt and possible green pants you know type you tie and uh
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Barefoot and they're not looking at the craft they're not looking at the little robot thing they're not looking at me
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they're just staring out in space and I can see them brightly illuminated by the glow from this landing craft and there's
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this light is right there in front of them if she raised her hand she would have
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hit the ship that's how close she was that close yeah yeah she she wasn't like far away she was like
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did like I said if she raised her hand she would have hit the chip they're looking at it so they're not they're
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just like almost like zomb they're like motionless they're literally like they look like I'm thinking to myself when I
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look at they're hypnotized that was my impression because they don't see it they don't see me they're just staring
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off his face oh my God and they they had not been out there no they had not been out there I I hadn't seen them in days
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so so sometimes when in the time that you went back to get your wife uh they
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came out they came out they came out of their little Bungalow there where this
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has been more than five minutes or I'm thinking probably less than five minutes right oh yeah it could have been more
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than two or three minutes you know it likely I mean just to visualize they you're in you're trying to get your wife
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out of bed and this couple comes out of their little Bungalow they're walking
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out what I assume and they sit in these like lawn chairs or out no no they
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weren't sitting they were standing up oh they were standing so they'd walk out they're standing up and they're looking at into this into the night sky staring
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straight out just like if they were paralyzed hands to their sides I would love to
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have seen them walking out like that would have been a sight to see yeah
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and there were two doors to The Bungalow one in the kitchen one at her the living room and from where they were standing
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to either one of those doors wasn't more than four feet five feet tall wow they likely would have because the
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bedroom was adjacent to the kitchen and there was a doorway inside the bedroom that went straight into the kitchen I
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would presume they came out the kitchen door that which was adjacent to the driveway so that was literally four or
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five feet from where I saw them standing so it would have would have taken more than yeah 30 seconds or so for them to
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walk out there if they were they may have been already up and coming out you know when I'm running back and forth you
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know and at that time they they were out there standing there so they're just motionless they're standing
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oblivious just like Frozen paralyzed hypnotized yeah so I look down the
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hallway is she coming she's coming I can see her sitting my wife's sitting on the edge of the bed still and still see her
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saying I'm like oh you know I thought do I go faster again I go no she's up she's
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not back asleep she's going to be outside I gotta check this out just like stupid me did with the the the car back
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in 74. I'm gonna go outside and get a closer look at this thing and I remember
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opening the door and stepping out onto the stairs we had uh three stairs went down and I had just a couple weeks
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before put AstroTurf on stairs make them pretty you know this is gonna be nice and I'm in my bare feet so I remember
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the prickly gr you know astrotura grass I'm like yes yeah and looking down a
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chip and then nothing it's just like it's just like
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my memory you say memory wipe or whatever it was just nothing it was just like everything stopped and then the
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next thing I remember I'm climbing a ladder okay so wait no we
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have a break yeah yeah step out you're feeling the AstroTurf under your bare feet
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and that's your final memory that's my final memory there at the trailer at that moment at that moment now you're on
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a ladder I'm on a ladder okay ladder I can feel the rust you know how you you
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paint the uh well I don't know in the desert you're painting things constantly and the paint dries and chips off and
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rust happens and it just and I can feel this Ross I feel on my bare feet I can
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feel on my hands I can feel the weight of my body hanging as I'm calling as a small ladder it's not a big ladder small
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ladder and it's like I'm coming too I'm going like what you know I go what the hell right
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where am I and I it's like flooding back in I look up at the sky I can see it's still nighttime and then it all starts
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to come back oh all right was that the trailer oh I saw this this thing in the driveway it looked like a landing chip
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and where am I now and I I'm looking around and I recognized where I was uh
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it was not far from where the trailers is University of Arizona um Agricultural Center there it's a
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satellite campus and I'm on one of the the silos and I sent you a picture of that yes yes
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and that's the first time I saw that Silo again since that night because I uh
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the rest of the time every time I've been back there I've avoided that area I didn't want to go back there I did it I
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knew how how far was that Silo from your trailer I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up uh on Google Maps but I don't it could
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have been more than four or five miles you know I mean if you had to walk it man you could but you'd be really tired
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but it wasn't far away it's it's on Campbell Road uh near uh uh River Road
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and across from it is just desert expanse there's nothing out there beyond
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the the Agricultural Center and so yeah uh that's where they do all the genetic
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experiments that's where they do cattle hybriding and that all that stuff is done there at the Agriculture Center so
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I'm on this ladder I'm going I like I'm getting my wits together I go what am I doing or why am I here and I look down
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but at the bottom it's a typical stereotypical what I've been described
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for years as a gray alien and he's looking up at me and just like on that time in 1974 here
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in my mind Alan it's time to come down we gotta go you know and I look at him and I go like
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oh yeah it's like I remember that's my friend that's my friend and I promise
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them if they let me go with them I wouldn't fuss when it's time to go back I do whatever they said and yeah and I
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felt like oh I've known this guy for years that's how he felt and I go like oh oh yeah yeah well I don't want to
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disobey and I start climbing down and the next thing I'm waking up in my bed it's sunny
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Saturday morning my wife's on the end of the bed brushing her beautiful hair you know
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and again it all floods back in I remember the night I remember oh I saw
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this and I did this and I was on this Silo and I was like did that really happen right yeah I kind of like did I
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you know I go like you know I I I go like what and instead
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of saying good morning to her I'm irritated and I go like boy you're a
1:11:12
real heavy sleeper that's dangerous and she says to me she goes like yeah what
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were you trying to wake me up for last night
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yeah yeah that my heart skipped a beat when she said that because I go like oh
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my God if I tried to wake her up last night and she remembers that that really happened
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and so I didn't say anything else I just thought it's like awestruck and she asked me again why were you trying to
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wake me up and I go ah the cats okay wait I I need
1:11:50
to check the mail and this is Saturday morning the mail hasn't come but I want what I want to do was go outside and see
1:11:55
if there's any evidence didn't you also check the ceiling well I did on the way out that's what to say I get dressed
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okay sorry yeah I get dressed and I go out and I pass you know the the where I
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was hitting the broom was above the sink in the kitchen and I look up the corner of my eye and I
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see the holes right bang that broom right through the ceiling I'd be terrible
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dance I go oh I'm gonna get in trouble for that so that that all happened as well yeah that that happened I actually
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did hit it and I go oh my God okay I go outside
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uh I I go down the driveway looking wear this thing there is no physical evidence
1:12:37
there's no like little marks where the feet would have been because it's asphalt and what we call caliche which
1:12:44
is very hard packed uh sandstone-like material on the side so there was just
1:12:49
absolutely no physical evidence no burn marks like that's Socorro or there was nothing nothing that anything had
1:12:57
happened and I go like I'm thinking walking back to the trailer slowly going
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what do I say do I say anything to her do I call Jim I need to think about this
1:13:10
and having just done this agreed to this Museum thing
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and they're gonna do this big reveal and uh you know they're I'm gonna be the head of Afro and I was and if I come out
1:13:22
and say oh yeah you know there was an alien ship land in my driveway No One's
1:13:27
Gonna believe me they're going to think how a lunatic or this is a publicity stunt or I'm just trying to push afro
1:13:34
out or or on you know and what would the administration think if I'm talking this
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way and they're going to pull it out right you know and they're going to think I'm a lunatic and they don't won't trust afro and
1:13:46
so I go like I need to think about this and I I think initially I thought well you know I'll pull Jim aside and I'll
1:13:53
talk to him but it's like anything if you don't come out with it right away like I did with the
1:13:59
first one you're not going to come out with it you're going to start thinking now you think all the bad things can happen because I I'm
1:14:05
I was thinking back at Travis and and you know Moody who disappeared and and
1:14:12
how Herman his wife divorced him and he lost his job he worked at Sears he lost his job and everyone was calling John
1:14:18
like do you really really want it you know get involved in this and I thought
1:14:23
I need to think about some more you think about some more so I didn't say anything to my wife and I I as I was
1:14:29
sharing with you too it wasn't that I thought she wouldn't believe me
1:14:34
I trusted her she she would believe me and she would still love me but I didn't
1:14:40
want her to be burned with yeah she's married that crazy UFO guy yeah right
1:14:45
you know it's it's it I wasn't I was concerned that yeah this is going to
1:14:51
affect me you know it was a massive stigma yeah yeah oh it was it was huge back then because
1:14:56
it wasn't like it is today at all nothing at all I can uh so I go like I
1:15:01
need to think about this so a couple days went by Wednesday uh can comes along and I get home and
1:15:09
here knock on the door it was Dawn Dawn was the manager of the park his daughter
1:15:14
was my wife's a friend of hers her girlfriend and knocked on the door I opened up and hey
1:15:22
dog what's up he goes hey Al he says have you seen the hippie couple over
1:15:27
there in the The Bungalow and I
1:15:33
I don't I would have loved to see my face at that time because I flashed back to that picture standing outside the
1:15:39
little landing craft in the middle of the night and I'm thinking to in my inner voice I think you know last time I
1:15:45
saw that we were standing outside planting crab with a robot in it
1:15:51
I'm not gonna tell him how do you say that right no they were standing right there down
1:15:57
the road yeah spaceship there and robot oh my God like no why do you ask
1:16:05
sure he says that I think they skipped out on the rant he says I think they
1:16:11
they're they're gone I think they skipped out and I go really yes yeah oh I don't know
1:16:17
I haven't seen him he said do you mind can you come over with me he says I want to go through their place and see if they took their clothes and if they left
1:16:24
and and I want to witness with me so they don't say I stole from them or anything I said uh yeah sure so now I'm
1:16:32
curious you know of course well you know what what's going on worse you can't get get a look in here so we went in through
1:16:38
the kitchen door which like I said these places were so tiny you have a little
1:16:44
tiny it almost looks like a child's stove you know real tiny stove and they
1:16:49
had the sink right across from that and a little tiny dining table all the the plates are on there dirty just like they
1:16:55
finished dinner and they never picked them up all the the dirty dishes are still in the sink never washed now these
1:17:02
are furnished so it wasn't like if they left they were going to take the furniture with them and The Virgins were
1:17:08
there TV was there the TV did come it wasn't their TV so stuff's there so we
1:17:14
go from the kitchen to the living room a little tiny living room then we go through the uh into the bedroom
1:17:19
a little tiny bedroom a little tiny so and they're still closed on hangers in the closet closet was wide open they
1:17:26
were closed on it not a lot of clothes no t-shirts jeans stuff like that they're closing the drawers in the most
1:17:34
telling part I know this from you know as having looked at Kevin crime scenes over the years and
1:17:40
these certain things you go people don't leave without certain things their little knickknack brick back stuff was
1:17:47
still on the the dresser you know things that are like little uh like figurines
1:17:52
figurines and stuff little personal things you don't leave that behind those were really big in the late 70s yeah I
1:17:59
was saying for everyone yeah Hummel or uh yeah little things like that little
1:18:05
little tiny vases things like that and they were still there it's probably the only things that she owned I mean it didn't look like they had any money and
1:18:13
in the bathroom all the toiletries were still there their shampoo their toothpaste in the cabinet and everything
1:18:19
was still there hair brushes and stuff and so I said to Don I said maybe they're just visiting somebody my
1:18:27
actual thought at the time was they just like me they freaked out and
1:18:32
they left they thought oh my God you know aliens abduction blah blah blah whatever happened to them if they were
1:18:38
you know went to the universe with me or whatever or gotten at you I figured they
1:18:44
just remember the whole thing and they just freaked out and they you know just hooked it and took off I said to Donna
1:18:50
oh maybe they're visiting friends maybe they'll be back you know so well if you know if they don't you know don't come
1:18:56
back I'm calling the cops you know it's a civil thing there's contact going to do anything but uh
1:19:01
he did later call the cops because they didn't come back and he reported that they skipped on the rent I'm sure the
1:19:07
police didn't couldn't care less they never they were never heard from by you guys is that right never never saw them
1:19:13
again because they just disappeared they they were just gone they never came back
1:19:18
uh don presumed that they just skipped out because they were hippies you know uh and they didn't have a car no and
1:19:25
they didn't have a car that wasn't unusual you know you see them walking you know to the grocery store the
1:19:31
grocery store was only like a block away and it was on a con I I you know used to walk around quite a bit at the time too
1:19:37
I mean uh it's a small town it's not like today it's not like today even today I still I walk everywhere I'm
1:19:45
always walking someplace and back then that just wasn't a con people would walk to here they'd walk to the store walk to
1:19:51
the park we used to walk down to the park all the time in the evening we'd go like hey let's go to the park and sit on
1:19:56
a tree or whatever well these people walk somewhere and they apparently kept walking because
1:20:02
yeah and and now you know people they talk about um I'm hearing more and more about hey
1:20:09
what about people that were abducted and weren't brought back how would you know you know they talked about people
1:20:14
missing in in uh the national parks and stuff which actually I think that's more
1:20:19
likely bear attacks or falls off cliffs but if someone some of those cases are
1:20:25
very bizarre yeah yeah some are very bizarre like this one the last time I
1:20:31
saw them and like I said I don't call myself an experiencer I call myself an eyewitness I saw them standing outside
1:20:38
what looked to me like a landing craft that someone later on described the same
1:20:44
thing you don't get those again you don't get those particular details and
1:20:50
uh the spindly little legs had little like suction cup things at the bottom the egg shape
1:20:56
um it was like an Easter egg shape it wasn't like a Tic Tac because some people they're calling everything a Tic
1:21:02
Tac now now this was like an Easter egg yeah no rivets no seams uh that light
1:21:09
white it was white but had a lavender Hue to it rectangular doorway with the
1:21:15
Gumby like robot in it and I call it a road because it just it didn't look like a living creature
1:21:22
that was different from the gray alien that you saw at the bottom the gray
1:21:27
alien uh looking down at him um like the others said presumably there
1:21:33
were at least two creatures in that crap which the way you described it you said it was about 12 feet high yeah yeah
1:21:38
could have been that big I mean I don't know how many people could have fit or how many beings it could have fit in oh yeah yeah that's one of the things I I
1:21:45
when I first saw it I thought how could anybody get in there I mean it's so small now
1:21:52
um I shared with you you know do you remember anything else and over the
1:21:57
years I've had what I would call three flashbacks and it's I don't would say that because I I don't look at this like
1:22:04
PTSD or anything like that I mean it was just like you forgot somebody's name did
1:22:09
you do real well and then you remember it later it's just like oh yeah that's right chocolate I remember that you know
1:22:17
um and that's what these three memories are the three memories are the first one is fighting at that
1:22:23
trailer door to keep the door closed I'm struggling at the trailer door and something's on the other side pulling
1:22:29
trying to pull it open and I'm trying to keep it closed you were outside though I was outside
1:22:35
now what I partially could have happened what if I stepped out onto that that uh
1:22:41
stairs and there were two things on either side of that door Wing grab me what would I do run back in try to get
1:22:49
back in yeah and that you know the whole thing seemed to me like
1:22:55
something went wrong with whatever I was doing with them or their intentions were
1:23:00
something went wrong and okay so you're trying to keep them out I'm trying to
1:23:06
keep something out and the the way that um trailer door was it was like a refrigerator lever door kind of like
1:23:12
thing that's how the handle was oh okay you know where you pull it out and I'm pulling it back in and I can feel it
1:23:19
tearing against my fingers you know the pressure because of the strength of whatever is trying to pull it open
1:23:25
and that's one flashback marriage is like bang oh yeah I remember that I remember that the other one is and this
1:23:33
is so typical waking up on a table now I wouldn't call it a table as much as I
1:23:39
would call it a tray it felt like quite uh it was white it felt like metal or
1:23:44
porcelain and I cannot move my hands or feet or anything I can move my fingers but it's
1:23:50
like my wrists are restrained my feet are restrained and I'm laying on this it's I can see other tables in front of
1:23:57
me on the side of me going off in the dark and I see one of these little gray aliens walk by stops for a second put
1:24:03
some type of tool at the edge at the end of the the tray or table whatever I'm on
1:24:09
and then walks you know out of you know the the other direction and I remember thinking in
1:24:16
that flashback I got to get out of here I gotta get out of here okay and the the
1:24:22
last flashback I remember is uh waking up in the bedroom and one of these little gray aliens is
1:24:29
backing out and I'm like freaked out like there's they're here they're here that's what I'm thinking in my head I
1:24:36
want to scream but I can't scream and I go they're here those are the three
1:24:41
flashbacks I've had over the years if that if those were suppressed
1:24:48
memories and I'm just you know back I don't know it's been 44 some years you know it's been a long time 40 years 44
1:24:54
years out of I have to look at but those are the only other fragments I remember and like why I said you know I got back
1:25:03
to her and tried closed door that's just postulation I'm just speculating that why would I be back in trying to keep
1:25:09
the door closed unless I was attacked obviously oh yeah yeah do you have any idea how um have you
1:25:17
ever guessed how long that whole experience might have been because you know you had to black out when you were
1:25:22
on the steps and then the next thing you know you're on the ladder how much time do you think actually that hadn't been
1:25:28
it that hasn't been an all-night thing it had to be all night it couldn't have been just
1:25:33
I don't know how they got me there you know and I don't know how long I had been there you don't know what time it
1:25:39
was when you got brought back obviously no it was all I know if if that waking
1:25:45
and seeing the thing leaving the bedroom yeah if that is it was a memory of that
1:25:52
that same night it was still dark you know so you're thinking several hours I
1:25:57
I assume well when I saw initially you're talking 11 o'clock at night and
1:26:04
uh uh the last memory I had before you know morning was still dark so six hours
1:26:11
you know at least I I think now there's no way of quantifying that you know it
1:26:17
could have been two hours it could have been three hours but it it that was the
1:26:22
window of time that was available that anything could have happened and like I said
1:26:28
it when I even back then when I talked about it I've got like they landed freaking
1:26:34
right in the driveway any car driving black could have seen that in-car coming out because if anyone looked out their
1:26:40
window they would have seen it sitting right there in the driveway yeah uh and I could like how
1:26:45
stupid or desperate would it be the land something right there uh and and think they would get caught but it happens all
1:26:52
the time it happens all the time



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ASTONISHING UFO Encounter & Possible Abduction | Richard Dolan Show


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Nov 30, 2022
Richard Dolan returns for another interview with Allan LaVigne, who previously talked about his fascinating history with the UFO organization APRO during the 1970s. In this discussion, Allan describes two remarkable personal encounters he had during that period of time. The first is a sighting of a clearly defined UFO on the outskirts of Tucson in 1974, while the second is an extraordinary close encounter with an alien being. Allan graciously provided his own artwork to illustrate both events.

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- その第三者は、EMF 異常による発光現象を見たのだろう。

- Allan LaVigne はその EMF 異常によって夢遊病のような意識状態に陥ったのだろう。つまり、UFO も造り物めいた ET もそのような意識状態で見た幻に違いない。ふたりの人間も(彼らが幻でなければ)同様の意識状態だったと思える。

(2022-12-04)

幼児期の記憶を実験した結果

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- abduction を継続して何度も体験する abductee は

  ・幼児期に、自分が寝ていた赤子用ベッドの周りに出現した ET を目撃していた

と証言することが多い。

- 幼児期の記憶について調べた心理学者の実験結果の要約を見かけたので記録しておく。

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ref: アン・M・クリアリー (著), ベネット・L・シュワルツ (著), 『記憶現象の心理学:日常の不思議な体験を探る』、北大路書房、2022-06-27、pp.31-32

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- 10年近く前の過去記事でこの縮小装置のおもちゃについて言及していた。


・心理学者たちの詳しい調査によると、子供は 3歳以前の記憶を持たないとされている。

  ・心理学者のこの問題に関する実験方法がかなり面白い。

  ・ある実験は、幼児期に日常世界ではありえない出来事を遊びの中で体験をさせる。後年、そのありえない体験を覚えているかどうかをチェックするというもの。ありえない出来事とは、たとえば、おもちゃなどの物体が縮小する装置で遊んだという体験。もちろん、実際に縮小するのではないが、そう幼児に確信させるほどリアリティのある手品のトリックを使う。このソースは忘れたw

ref: 赤子の記憶:最初に立ったシーンを思い出したという女性 (2013-02-21)


(2022-12-04)

Allan Lavigne : Travis Walton は UFO のビーム光を浴びたのではなく、UFO の帯電した静電気の放電の衝撃を受けたのだ

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- Allan Lavigne は APRO (今はなき初期の民間 UFO 調査組織)の関係者。彼は事件直後の Travis Walton に長時間電話インタビューしている。その時の電話インタビューの逸話から一部を取り上げる。


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- 37:50 Travis Walton の件。静電気。

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I've I've shared with you illustrations
35:08
and different things that were done uh uh you know that was my own thing you
35:13
know for afro but when Travis Walton this is that was the first big case
35:21
uh we were following it from the very abduction and you joined in 74 Travis's
35:28
thing happened in November 75. yeah uh interesting and I'll talk to you later
35:34
too about that November 11th date it's kind of interesting uh November 5th with
35:40
Travis no no but I interviewed him on November on the 11th yeah yeah because he was gone for five days he comes back
35:47
on the 10th you interviewed him on the 11th on the 11th and uh uh amazing the
35:54
this how I saw it I actually saw in the newspaper that he had been you know uh
36:00
returned and I went home called Jim Jen says yeah we know and uh he said I'll be
36:08
back with you and he called me back and says this is his room number this is you
36:14
know we spoke to his brother Coral spoke to his brother agreed to an interview give him a call and then when you're
36:19
done call me and and brief me and uh that's that's exactly what
36:25
happened and I can say having heard Travis retell he has not changed one
36:31
note the entire time something that that I shared with Jim and this is this is an
36:36
example of some things we held back that we didn't give information that we didn't write about but uh when he
36:43
described what happened to him and uh how this beam of light hit him when he stood up I knew right away from my I had
36:52
some understanding of aircraft in Arizona you have very dry air conditions
36:57
for flying and craft in the air will pick up an enormous stack electric
37:03
charge if you have a Piper Cub or small airplane stuff it actually has a chain that dangle so when it lands it grounds
37:10
it to get that static electric charge off it because if you don't ground it and you come up to that plane it's going
37:17
to hit you it won't just knock on your rear end it could kill you I mean it's
37:22
that much of a static electric charge and as soon as he described what happened that he was crouching down then
37:29
he stood up and he was the highest thing in that clearing next to the UFO and he
37:34
got hit with a beam like now it's not a ray he got hit with a sack electric charge because where they were up there
37:40
in those woods very dry that's why they were deforesting it to prevent the forest fires yes right practice up there
37:48
so that gave me right away there's validity to what happened interesting so
37:54
now you talk to him on the phone or did you get to see him in person no I don't I never met him in person I only talked
37:59
to him that one time on the phone okay and after that uh that conversation I called Jim and just shared the entire
38:07
thing top to bottom what he had shared with me



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私はこれまで、イラストや様々なものを皆さんにお見せしてきました。
を共有したことがあるんだけど、それは僕自身のことだったんだ。
トラヴィス ウォルトンは 最初の大きな事件だった
私たちは拉致された時から追いかけていて、あなたは74年にトラヴィスの事件に加わりました。
75年11月に起こったんだ。
11月11日というのは興味深いですね。
11月11日に彼にインタビューしたんだ 彼は5日間いなかったから 戻ってきたんだ
10日に帰ってきて、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして、11日にインタビューして。
新聞で見たんだ、彼が帰ってきたってね。
私は家に帰り、Jimに電話したんです。
と言ってくれました。
彼の兄と話したよ コーラルは兄と話した インタビューに同意した 電話をしてくれ 終わったら
そして、私に電話をかけてきて、私に説明してくれました。
トラヴィスの話を聞いて言えることは、彼は一度も変わっていないということです。
私がジムと共有したこと、そしてこれはその一例です。
これは、私がジムと共有したことで、私たちが隠していたことです。
しかし、彼が自分に何が起こったか、そして彼が立ち上がったときに光線が当たったことを説明したとき、私はすぐに、アリゾナの航空機についてある程度理解していたことを知りました。
アリゾナ州は空気がとても乾燥しているので、飛行機が飛ぶには最適な環境です。
空中にある飛行機は膨大な電荷を帯びています。
パイパーカブや小型飛行機には鎖がついていて、着陸すると静電気を除去するために接地します。
もしアースを取らずに飛行機が近づいてきたら、その静電気があなたを襲うでしょうから。
というのも、もし接地せずに飛行機が近づいてきたら、後頭部を叩くだけでなく、死ぬかもしれないからです。
静電気が大量に発生して、しゃがみ込んでいたのに、立ち上がって
立ち上がって、UFOの横の空き地で一番高いところにいた。
ビームを浴びました。光線ではなく、袋状の電荷を浴びました。
その森はとても乾燥していた。だから、森林火災を防ぐために森林を伐採していたんだ。
そうです、そこで練習していたのです。それで、私はすぐに何が起こったのか妥当だと思いました。
そのため、森林火災を防ぐために森林を整備していたのです。
そのあとジムに電話して、彼が話したことを全部話したんだ。
彼が私に話してくれたことを上から下まで全部話しました。



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APRO Insider SPEAKS OUT | The Richard Dolan Show


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Nov 23, 2022
Richard Dolan interviews Allan Lavigne, who not only was an active member of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) from 1974 to 1980, but was close to its founders James and Coral Lorenzen. Allan has never given an interview before and has a great deal to say. He was the first person to speak with Travis Walton after his abduction encounter in 1975, he was one of the first to speak with Jesse Marcel, Sr. about Roswell, he was a lead investigator in the remarkable Charles Moody abduction case of 1975, and much more. Allan has much to say about how APRO itself was run, how incredibly busy it was (sometimes over 800 UFO reports per month!), and what it was like working with Jim and Coral Lorenzen. This interview is more than two hours, and is only the first part in a multi-part series.

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DeepL
2022年11月23日
リチャード・ドーランは、1974年から1980年まで航空現象研究機構(APRO)のメンバーとして活躍しただけでなく、創設者のジェームズとコーラル・ロレンゼンと親交があったアラン・ラヴィーンにインタビューを行いました。アランはこれまで一度もインタビューに応じたことがなく、非常に多くのことを語ってくれた。彼は、1975年にアブダクションに遭遇したトラビス・ウォルトンと最初に話をした人物であり、ロズウェルについてジェシー・マーセル・シニアと最初に話をした一人であり、1975年の注目すべきチャールズ・ムーディ・アブダクション事件の主任研究員であり、その他にも多くのことを語っている。APROがどのように運営されていたか、どれほど忙しかったか(1カ月に800件以上のUFO報告があったことも!)、ジムとコーラル・ロレンゼンとの仕事はどのようなものだったのか、アランは多くを語ってくれている。このインタビューは2時間を超えるもので、複数回にわたるシリーズの最初の部分に過ぎない。

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- UFO からの静電気の放電ショック…という Allan Lavigne の見解は否定できる。その理由は…

  ・Travis Walton の事例では UFO との距離(*1)からして静電気の放電ショック説は無理がある。雷のような高い電圧(10MV 以上)でもない限り、10m 以上の距離を介しての放電はあり得ない。放電ショックが生じるには、UFO と Travis を結ぶ途中経路の空気を絶縁破壊する必要があるが、空気の絶縁耐圧は 3kV/mm もある。UFO がそんなに高電圧を帯びていれば、Travis に放電する遥か以前に UFO の周囲の樹木に放電する筈。

  ・同様の事例が皆無。UFO の静電気を感じた(腕や首筋の体毛が逆だった…の類)という証言事例は無数にあるが、UFO によって電撃ショックを受けたという証言は知らない。

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According to Walton and a number of other members from the logging crew, on November 5, 1975, he was working with a timber stand improvement crew in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest near Snowflake, Arizona. While riding in a truck with six of his coworkers, they allegedly encountered a saucer-shaped object hovering over the ground approximately 110 feet (34 m) away, making a high-pitched buzz. Walton claims that after he left the truck and approached the object, a beam of light suddenly appeared from the craft and knocked him unconscious. The other six men were frightened and supposedly drove away. Walton claimed that he awoke in a hospital-like room, being observed by three short, bald creatures. He claimed that he fought with them until a human wearing a helmet led Walton to another room, where he blacked out as three other humans put a clear plastic mask over his face. Walton has claimed he remembers nothing else until he found himself walking along a highway five days later, with the flying saucer departing above him.

ウォルトンと伐採作業員の他の多くのメンバーによると、1975年11月5日、彼はアリゾナ州スノーフレーク近くのアパッチ-シチグリーヴス国有林で木材の立木改良作業員として働いていたそうです。6人の同僚と一緒にトラックに乗っていたとき, 彼らは約110フィート(34 m)離れた地面の上に円盤状の物体が甲高い音を立てて浮かんでいるのに遭遇したと主張しました。ウォルトンは、トラックから降りてその物体に近づいた後、突然その機体から光線が現れ、意識を失ったと主張しています。他の6人は驚いて車で逃げ出したと思われます。ウォルトンは、病院のような部屋で目が覚め、3人の背の低い、はげ頭の生き物に観察されたと主張しています。彼は、ヘルメットをかぶった人間がウォルトンを別の部屋に連れて行き、そこで他の3人の人間が彼の顔に透明なプラスチックのマスクをかぶせるまで、彼らと争ったと主張しました。ウォルトンは、5日後に空飛ぶ円盤が頭上から出発して、ハイウェイを歩いている自分に気づくまで、何も覚えていないと主張しています。

ref: Travis Walton UFO incident - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton_UFO_incident


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- UFO からの静電放電ではないとすれば、では Travis Walton が浴びた光ビームの正体は何であろうか?

- この UFO の正体は、現場の EMF 異常による orb(群)だろうから、その orb から放出されたより小さな orb だろう。orb が orb を放出する現象はこれまでも幾つも報告されているし、最近の過去記事でもその動画映像を取り上げたばかり。

(2022-12-03)

Joseph Farrell : Maury Island UFO 事件、Kenneth Arnold、JFK 暗殺を繋ぐ奇妙な登場人物たち

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- この件は Peter Levenda もより詳しく講演で語っている。たとえば…

  Peter Levenda : Edgar Hoover(FBI 長官)は、 JFK 暗殺や UFO 事件に関与した謎の偽教会の役員だった (2022-01-30)


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hello everyone this is dark journalist with a very special interview with Oxford scholar and Giza death star book
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series author Dr Joseph Farrell today Dr Farrell will go deep on the covert Machinery that allows a whole category
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of advanced exotic UFO technology to remain behind a wall of secrecy and how
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75 years of CIA obfuscation and political lies have kept the game going
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right up until today have we hit a turning point please join us now
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foreign
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let's track this UFO file okay through here
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um we get a big moment in 1947 with the UFO file yes through Kenneth Arnold
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right this brings us also to the JFK assassination oddly enough Arnold will
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have his incredible sightings Mount Rainier and those craft are very interesting
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you've pointed out before they owe a great resemblance to the work of the Horton Brothers yeah
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um and they aren't actually saucers they look more like boomerangs or crests yeah big flying wing exactly
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um and his sighting is legitimate on so many levels because he's actually the
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reason he's out there is he's trying to find a transport of Marines and a plane that disappeared a month earlier and
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there's actually a reward for it right so he has really good reason to be there um when he comes down and he gives this
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explanation the whole craze takes off and there's an incredible wave of sighting right one of the things that
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happens is he gets hired as a private investigator to go down and talk to some
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people at Mori Island in Washington who have seen a craft that gives off weird
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slag on these crafts that kind of donut shaped and they're giving off air slag they just ruin a boat and they kill a
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dog and a boy's armed gets burned in the middle of that story is someone named
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Fred crisp yep and so Fred Chrisman uh is somebody who you know kind of jerks
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around with Arnold through that whole story takes off to Alaska and Arnold just left with a very bizarre situation
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which he recounts and the only book that he wrote uh about the whole thing later this very
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same Christmas is going to be put up as part of this trial assassination of the
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JFK assassination by Jim Garrison and Garrison thinks as he submits to his
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book publisher this guy is the one who was involved directly with the shooting he's a Boeing assassin right so that's
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where he had arrived at Chrisman then connected to this very first UFO case
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pre- Kenneth Arnold actually pre-his citing and in that whole before Roswell
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and everything else what are we looking at with Chrisman and his connection there to the UFO file and then the
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assassination well you're you're forgetting another important step in the Christmas story
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and that is who is taking the report
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ing report for Kenneth Arnold and for Maury Island who's covering all of that
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in 1947. guy Bannister guy Bannister exactly
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he's the one filling out the reports on all of these incidents for the FBI right
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subject matter X yes because he's the special agent in charge I think he was based in Boise at the time so in other
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words he's the one ultimately if you if you're following all of these reports
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and the flow of information when the reporters interview Kenneth Arnold they
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in turn all that is getting back to guy Bannister he's filling out the reports for all of this and so where does it
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banister end up why he ends up in New Orleans and by the way let's not forget
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um what's his name Carrie one of chrisman's uh cohorts of Pardon Me
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ends up in New Orleans as well and if I'm not mistaken my memory tells me that
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at some point Chrisman himself ended up in New Orleans during this you know this
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same whole time period so we've got this little nest of people that are you know
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guy Bannister being right at the top of the Heap that are all connected to the issue of UFOs and here's here's the big
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problem with guy Bannister when he is summoned to appear before the house
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assassinations committee kind of like uh demarinshilp he suffers a hard a
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convenient heart attack right and all of his files go missing exactly now here's
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a guy that had files out the Wazoo and Banister strikes me as the kind of
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character especially if he's dealing with subject matter X up there in Idaho and Mori Island and Kenneth Arnold and
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God knows what else he's dealing with related up there he's the kind of guy that's going to
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make duplicates yeah he's just he's just that kind of guy
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he's gonna make duplicates of everything that he ever sent to Hoover
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and I think probably it's just because banister is is that kind of paranoid guy plus he
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probably knows what he's dealing with with Hoover right you know so banister
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gets summoned to the the house on America the house assassinations committee they're all
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born commission well yeah basically yeah and he suffers this heart attack and his
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files Go conveniently right he uh what's interesting they got rid of him really
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quick because yeah he's involved in the assassination happens in 63 and 64. boom
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boom you know heart attack and this is really interesting too because um yeah you're right it wasn't the house
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committee it was the Warren yeah thank you yes that's where he was going yeah uh but the pattern is exactly the same
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yeah yeah uh banister very famously has an employee in the summer before the
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assassination the employee is Lee Harvey Oswald yep who was supposed to be a
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left-wing commie who just came back from Russia and he's working for a right-wing Arc right wing FBI chief who's a private
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eye agency infiltrating student groups yeah uh so instantly that story fresh
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back from the Soviet Union too so Oswald as you know a crazy Soviet
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loving leftist it doesn't make any sense him working for Bannister so that story just out the window oh yes
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now uh whenever we get around Oswald you've pointed this out
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and uh it's absolutely undeniable whatever you get around Oswald there's
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Aerospace and UFO connections yes around him as the Assassin and before he's the
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alleged assassin and what is that about there are Bannister is another one again
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which shows that connection it's if you want to know what it's about
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radar yeah right because where's these stations atsugi Air Force Base in Japan
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yes with a security clearance with a security clearance running radar tracking U2 fights voila
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um you know if he had if he had been a genuine Defector to the Soviet Union it was getting like probed and all this
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stuff they'd never let him anywhere near never YouTube never never not not on
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your wildest dreams and then to you have to remember when he defects to the
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Soviet Union it is a little bit prior to the shootdown of Francis Gary Powers
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right and if you if you really examine that whole story
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Nikita Khrushchev played that whole thing brilliantly
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because you know they they show all the wreckage on Soviet TV
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this is people really have to understand what Nikita Khrushchev was doing they
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show all of the wreckage of of powers U2 on Soviet TV
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and Khrushchev states that this was shot down by one of
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our missiles wow now why does he do that
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because he's showing wreckage that clearly has no damage from a missile
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strike oh interesting he's doing this very deliberately
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he this is his little way of sending a message to the United States that he and the top
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bureaucrats at the Kremlin know that this thing was brought down by
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an inside job which is what Francis Gary Powers himself always maintained oh wow
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yeah yeah I point out all of this in in the LBJ conspiracy to kill Kennedy book so
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Oswald if he's passing along radar information to the Soviets and so on and so forth I
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suspect as a result of the way the U2 flight
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Downing happened I suspect that Oswald was passing along
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more intelligence than just that he was passing on that they're gonna they are
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going to crash a U2 in your country and so on and so forth otherwise
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there's really nothing of any value that Oswald is giving the Soviets but why
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then does he end up with a really cushy apartment in Minsk in yellow Russia at a
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really cushy job and able to marry a Soviet Gru Colonel's daughter
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in a whirlwind romance in a whirlwind romance you know is is Soviet military
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intelligence that sloppy answer no so
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uh you know there's there's all sorts of aspects to this that just when you look
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at the details makes no sense unless unless
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Oswald is an operative and this whole thing is part of some vast elaborate operation
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yeah then it starts to make sense



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こんにちは、ダーク・ジャーナリストです。オックスフォード大学の研究者であり、ギザのデス・スターの本の著者でもあるジョセフ・ファレル博士に特別インタビューを行いました。
シリーズ」の著者であるジョセフ・ファレル博士に特別インタビューを行いました。
UFOの高度な技術が、どのように秘密の壁の後ろに残されているのか。
75年にわたるCIAの隠蔽工作と政治的な嘘が、いかにしてこのゲームを続けてきたか。
75年間、CIAの隠蔽工作と政治的な嘘が、どのようにゲームを続けてきたのか。
外国人
このUFOファイルを追跡してみましょう。
1947年、ケネス・アーノルドのUFOファイルで、大きな出来事がありました。
ケネス・アーノルドを通して、1947年、JFK暗殺の瞬間がやってきます。
レーニア山で信じられないような光景を目にすることになります。
ホートン兄弟の作品に非常によく似ていると指摘されていますが
円盤というよりブーメランか紋章のようなものです大きな飛行翼です
そして、彼の目撃談は多くの点で正当です なぜなら、彼は実際にそこにいるからです
彼がそこにいる理由は、1ヶ月前に消えた海兵隊の輸送機と飛行機を見つけようとしているからです。
報酬があるんです。だから、彼がそこにいるのは正当な理由なんです。
彼が降りてきて、この説明をすると、全体の熱狂が始まり、信じられないような目撃情報の波が押し寄せます。
彼は私立探偵として雇われ、ワシントンのモリ島で、ある人たちに話を聞くことになりました。
ワシントンのモリ島で、奇妙な形をした船体を見たという人に話を聞くために、私立探偵として雇われました。
その船はドーナツ状で、空気中のスラグを吐き出し、ボートを破壊し、犬を殺し、少年は武装して、その場に倒れこむ。
犬は殺され、少年の腕は焼かれたその話の中心はフレッド・クリスプという人物で
フレッド・クリスマンという人物です。
アーノルドがアラスカに行ってしまうと、アーノルドは非常に奇妙な状況に陥ります。
アーノルドは非常に奇妙な状況に置かれることになるのですが、それを彼はこう語っています。
同じクリスマスに、JFK暗殺事件の裁判の一部として、ジム・ゲイツが書いた本が出版される予定です。
ジム・ギャリソンによるJFK暗殺の裁判の一環として、この本が出版されることになりました。
この男は、ボーイングの殺し屋で、銃撃に直接関与している。
クリスマンにたどり着いたのです。そして、この最初のUFO事件に関連する
ケネス・アーノルドの前、つまり、ロズウェルの前、
ロズウェルの前です。そして、クリスマンとUFOファイルとの関係を調べてみると、
そして暗殺...あなたは、クリスマスの物語のもう一つの重要なステップを忘れているようです。
誰が、ケネス・アーンの報告書を取っているかということです。
誰が、ケネス・アーノルドとモーリー・アイランドのために、1947年当時のレポートを作成したのか。
1947年 バニスター氏 バニスター氏は正確には
彼はFBIのためにこれらの事件の報告書を 作成する人ですね?
彼は担当の特別捜査官で 当時の拠点はボイシだったと思います つまり、彼が最終的に
つまり、彼が最終的な責任者なのです。
記者がケネス・アーノルドにインタビューした時の情報の流れを追うと
それがバニスターの所に戻ってくるわけです。バニスターはこの報告書を書いているのです。
バニスターはなぜかニューオーリンズに行き着くところで忘れてはならないのが
そういえば、クリスマンの共犯者の一人であるキャリーも
そして私の記憶に間違いがなければ、クリスマン自身もある時期に
そして僕の記憶に間違いがなければ、クリスマン自身もこの時期にニューオリンズに行き着いたと思うんだ。
この小さな巣のような人たちがいるんだ。
バニスターはその頂点に立ち、UFOの問題に関係した人たちです。
バニスターの大きな問題は、下院の暗殺委員会に呼び出されたときです。
下院暗殺委員会に呼び出されたときのことです。まるで、デモリンシロップのように、
都合のいいことに心臓発作を起こし、彼のファイルは全て行方不明になる。
バニスターはそういう人物だと思う。
特にアイダホやモリ島やケネス・アーノルドのような...
アイダホやモリ・アイランド、ケネス・アーノルド、その他何を扱っているかは神のみぞ知る......そんな男が、複製を作ろうとしてるんだ。
複製を作るような奴なんだ。
フーバー宛に送ったものの複製を作るような奴だ
バニスターは偏執的な男だからだろうそれに彼は自分が何を扱っているか
フーバーが何をしてるか知ってるんだろう だからバニスターは
バニスターはアメリカ下院の暗殺委員会に呼び出され、彼らは皆、生まれながらの委員会です。
委員会に召集された彼は心臓発作に苦しみながら
彼は心臓発作に見舞われ、彼のファイルは都合よく整理された。
彼は63年と64年の暗殺事件に関与している。
心臓発作......これも実に興味深い......そう、あなたの言う通り......下院委員会ではなく
しかし、このパターンは全く同じです。
そうそう......バニスターはとても有名ですが、暗殺前の夏に従業員を雇っています。
その従業員とはリー・ハーヴェイ・オズワルドです。
ロシアから戻ったばかりの左翼共産主義者であるはずの彼が、右翼のアーク右翼FBI長官の下で働いていて、私立探偵として学生団体に潜入していたのです。
学生団体に潜入する私立探偵のアーク右翼FBI長官の下で働いていたんです。
オズワルドもソ連から帰ってきたばかりで、ご存知のように狂ったソ連好きの左翼です。
オズワルドは狂ったソ連好きの左翼で バニスターの手先だったというわけだ それでこの話は立ち消えになった
さて......オズワルドの話になるといつもあなたが指摘するように
オズワルドの周りにあるのは航空宇宙とUFOの関係で
暗殺者として、そして暗殺者と言われる前に、航空宇宙とUFOが関係していることは否定できません。
暗殺者として、そして暗殺者とされる前に、航空宇宙とUFOのつながりがあるのです。
そのつながりを示しているのが、レーダーです。
レーダーか......そうか、じゃあこれらの局はどこにあるんだ?日本の厚木空軍基地だ。
そう、機密事項扱い許可を得て、U2の戦闘を追跡するレーダーを稼働させているのです。
もし彼が正真正銘のソ連亡命者だったら......探りを入れられたりして......。
そのようなことは決してないだろう。
そして、彼がソ連に亡命したときのことを思い出してください。
フランシス・ゲイリー・パワーズが撃墜される少し前です。
そうです。もし、この物語全体を検証するならば、
ニキータ・フルシチョフは見事に演じきっています。
ソ連のテレビでは、残骸を全て映し出しているのですから。
ニキータ・フルシチョフが何をしていたかを理解する必要があります。
ソ連のテレビでU2の残骸を全部見せるんです。
そしてフルシチョフは、これは我々のミサイルによって撃墜されたと述べています。
なぜ、そんなことをするのか?
明らかにミサイルによる損傷がない残骸を見せているからです。
興味深いことに、彼は非常に意図的にこれをやっている。
これは、米国にメッセージを送るための彼のちょっとした方法で、彼とモスクワのトップ官僚たちが
クレムリンの官僚たちは内部犯行によるものだと知っています。
フランシス・ゲイリー・パワーズが常に主張していた内部犯行であることを、米国に知らしめたのです。
そうそう、私はLBJのケネディ殺しの陰謀の本の中で、この全てを指摘しています。
オズワルドが、レーダー情報をソビエトに流していたとか、そういうことです。
U2の飛行の結果、ダウニングが起こったと思われます。
オズワルドが情報を流していたのでは?
オズワルドはもっと多くの情報を伝えていたのでは?
あなたの国にU2を墜落させるとか、そうでなければ
そうでなければ、オズワルドがソビエトに提供した情報は、何の価値もないでしょう。
オズワルドがソ連に与える価値など何もないのに、なぜ黄帝地区のミンスクにある楽なアパートに住み、楽な仕事に就き
そしてソ連のグルー大佐の娘と結婚した
つかの間の恋でつかの間の恋で......そう、ソ連軍の諜報部です。
ソ連軍の諜報機関だ
そうですね......いろいろな側面があるんです。
オズワルドがスパイでない限り
オズワルドが工作員でこの件が巨大で精巧な作戦の一部でない限りは
そうでなければ意味をなさない



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ダーク・ジャーナリスト&Dr. Joseph Farrell:
究極のUFOファイル。エキゾチックな技術を明らかにする!
**プラスボーナスインタビュー 2023年のキャサリン・オースティン・フィッツ!*** 究極のUFOファイルを明らかにする!

究極のufoファイルが明らかになりました!
ダークジャーナリストのダニエル・リストとジョセフ・ファレル博士は、高度でエキゾチックなUFO技術の全カテゴリーが秘密の壁の後ろに残っていることを可能にする秘密の機械について深く行きます。また、75年にわたるCIAの隠蔽工作と政治的な嘘が、今日まで「UFOファイルを隠す」というゲームを裏で続けてきたことも明らかにしています。

アルゼンチンに消えたナチスの鐘の開発から、UFO公開をめぐって暗殺されたケネディ大統領、そしてXプロテクト航空宇宙暗殺者やペーパークリップ科学者の台頭まで、2023年に向けて我々は限界点に達しているのだろうか?

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(2022-12-03)
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